We have two weeks to create an offense that can score. Current coordinator is not getting the job done, it's time to make a change today. I would not fire anyone, just change duties asap.
Is there a reason NOT to fire
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First of all, because that's what people have been saying in this thread, that we need a new, innovative offense.
Second, the offensive coaches all put that gameplan together, including decisions about which plays to run. Does firing one guy and having another guy do the same thing with the same guys make a big difference?
(The answer is, it doesn't.)
CPR handpicked Mess off of his own staff for OC. He had the opportunity to make a wholesale change in the offseason after the Memphis Debacle and he didn't. You are wasting your time and energy hoping for a coaching change that isn't going to happen, IMO.
These coaches are going to have to nut up as a group and figure out a way to help those kids be more effective.
Your on to something here. When you have a porous offensive line we need to call the roll out and have our QB throw a 30 yard strike across his body. We have some QB's on the team that can do that, right?
Mess has to go, and I believe we need to go get Mangino. He is the TE's coach at his alma mater Youngstown St Look at what he did for Kansas football (and I said that with a straight face). He took an abysmal football program and made them relevant. He made a lightly recruited Todd Reesing (3 star because of his height) look like a Heisman Trophy candidate. That's coaching and play calling. How hard would it be to get him from Youngstown TE Coach, to ISU OC. Plus we do have that Hickory Park thing going for us.
The press box can't hold him.
So unless we have the money to fire Mes, and hire mangino, AND build a new press box this idea may not work.
Probably have to wait until the McDonalds by West Hy-Vee is rebuilt. That would be a package deal
I'd like to see one more game. There was such a general sense of unpreparedness with the team that it seems unfair to dump it all on the OC. That said, I have a bad feeling that next game will not be better for the offense.
If Messingham needs to be replaced, that will make CPR 0-2 on picking OCs. The Big 12 is not really the place to botch that pick twice in four years. I guess he hope that the third time is the charm???
If Messingham needs to be replaced, that will make CPR 0-2 on picking OCs. The Big 12 is not really the place to botch that pick twice in four years. I guess he hope that the third time is the charm???
It's not style of offense as some people say. As far as game plans we've had some good game plans to start games but we haven't made adjustments as we needed too. I'm also skeptical how much Sturdy had to do with the game plans last year, and how much Coach K will have to do with game plans this year. In the end though they aren't the ones calling the plays.
demote CM to Offensive Line Coach, if he doesn't like that, tell him to pack his bags.Promote Klenakis, give him a one year trial basically. If ISU sees absolutely zero improvement, get a new OC
They will do none of the suggestions in this thread. Mess will be given all year and if we suck throughout the year (looks likely), then he will be gone.
The offense is THE problem with the football program. Whether the OC is Messingham, Herman, McFarland or Cotton, we've had problems scoring points since 2005. The reality is to be Big 12 competitive you gotta put up 40 against an FCS school like UNI. Wally will fix the defense. He always does. But the offense needs to win games, too.
We've had a SEVEN YEAR slump on offense! CPR is part of the problem here for recent struggles, but not sure if that's because he meddles too much or not enough. Herman's offense looked just as bad as Messingham's and he ends up as an OC for Urban Meyer. Something doesn't add up. If the talent isn't there, we certainly overhype everyone over the off-season. Below is how ISU placed in the Big 12 in scoring offense from 2005 to the present.
2012 - 9/10
2011 - 9/10
2010 - 10/12
2009 - 10/12
2008 - 11/12
2007 - 11/12
2006 - 12/12
2005 - 4/12
We've had a SEVEN YEAR slump on offense! CPR is part of the problem here for recent struggles, but not sure if that's because he meddles too much or not enough. Herman's offense looked just as bad as Messingham's and he ends up as an OC for Urban Meyer. Something doesn't add up. If the talent isn't there, we certainly overhype everyone over the off-season. Below is how ISU placed in the Big 12 in scoring offense from 2005 to the present.
2012 - 9/10
2011 - 9/10
2010 - 10/12
2009 - 10/12
2008 - 11/12
2007 - 11/12
2006 - 12/12
2005 - 4/12
Meyer/Blythe with Kock at FB, our red zone performance was probably a lot better. Tony Yelk at kicker was more reliable than anyone since. Pretty sure the defense scored a bunch of points that year (Nick Leaders, Jason Berryman, Tim Dobbins.)
This is kind of the point. How can Herman go to tOSU and produce so highly? Is it purely because of talent? I don't think so. But something doesn't add up.
We have a play calling problem as well. The other team pretty much knowing what play is coming compounds all the other problems the offense has.
