ISU vs Baylor Meltdown Thread - Only Game-Related Thread Allowed

[BigFatAl]

As I sat in Sam Boyd Stadium during the first half 3 weeks ago, I was calling for Coach Chizik to personally refund all season ticket holders for duping us into buying tickets and supporting his regime. During the second half, being a longtime delusional Iowa State fan, I rationalized the first half was the aberration and the team was really good and getting better. Oh, losing in OT was just tradition!

The games with Iowa and Kansas both illustrated our coaching staff has no clue what to do, or when to do it, on offense. For years it has been obvious ISU can not cover short passes or defend 3rd and long. We are now more than half way through the season and penalties make games look like fall practice.

The coaches don't inspire, or even excite the team.

ISU is not only the laughing stock of the Big XII, the fans now see the football program is laughable (actually, it makes you want to cry).

Bates "quitting" was certainly a distraction, but the complete lack of preparedness of the team shows the coaches must have been more concerned about their investments this past week rather than their coaching duties.

As a fan since the 60s, I have seen bad teams. Even when we had "good" teams, Nebraska, Oklahoma and other great teams destroyed us. Yesterday Iowa State did not play a great team in Baylor. The Iowa State performance in Waco was an embarrassment.

Don't the fans at least deserve to see a team that seems to be well coached and prepared? The fans, and maybe the players as well, are getting jipped! Do something positive for the economy--refund our ticket and contribution checks!

 

[bos]

As I sat in Sam Boyd Stadium during the first half 3 weeks ago, I was calling for Coach Chizik to personally refund all season ticket holders for duping us into buying tickets and supporting his regime. During the second half, being a longtime delusional Iowa State fan, I rationalized the first half was the aberration and the team was really good and getting better. Oh, losing in OT was just tradition!

The games with Iowa and Kansas both illustrated our coaching staff has no clue what to do, or when to do it, on offense. For years it has been obvious ISU can not cover short passes or defend 3rd and long. We are now more than half way through the season and penalties make games look like fall practice.

The coaches don't inspire, or even excite the team.

ISU is not only the laughing stock of the Big XII, the fans now see the football program is laughable (actually, it makes you want to cry).

Bates "quitting" was certainly a distraction, but the complete lack of preparedness of the team shows the coaches must have been more concerned about their investments this past week rather than their coaching duties.

As a fan since the 60s, I have seen bad teams. Even when we had "good" teams, Nebraska, Oklahoma and other great teams destroyed us. Yesterday Iowa State did not play a great team in Baylor. The Iowa State performance in Waco was an embarrassment.

Don't the fans at least deserve to see a team that seems to be well coached and prepared? The fans, and maybe the players as well, are getting jipped! Do something positive for the economy--refund our ticket and contribution checks!

Poor... If you want your money back, you may not even want to buy tickets next year. Why even be a fan. From the sound of it, you dont sound like you want to be anyway. I thought ISU's offensive play against Kansas was really good, so did Kansas. Youth killed that game.

 

[Broodwich]

My ISU Football "Hope & Change" tank is empty. I would have understood a close loss at Baylor. But we got smoked. That is a clear indicator of where this program stands.

I anticipated this season that we would be improving and have one upset against a team that we weren't supposed to beat. I have no indication from our games that that is going to happen. As a fan, it's another season of unmet reasonable-to-low expectations.

I love the Clones, and I think Chizik is a good coach. But I just can't muster another ounce of hope for this program. It looks the same and now it feels the same after this 2 year romance of newness and hope has worn off. It's like paying good money to have some one kick you in the nuts every Saturday. This whole program is built on hope and not substance. Chizik Coins, "Guess Who Is Going to a Bowl Game" T-Shirts, uniform changes and a lot of posturing about direction that never materializes.

I will be there every Saturday, but I will never scream in support or talk smack again in favor of this program. There's nothing to hang our hats on here. This is a terrible football team.

It's always fun speculating about the team in the spring though!

 

[kingcy]

After watching the game, it is very clear that Baylor has more talent.

That is no excuse. Is there really that big of a talent difference from team A to team B in college football? Its how that talent is used. Coaching can make you look like you have more talent than you do. Its a coaching staff job to see what talent their team has and play to get everything out of that talent. The best coaches get everything they can out of their players. I dont see that happening in Ames.

I was watching the game last night looking to the sidelines to see if Walden was coaching, then I realized he couldnt be because atleast he tried something different on offense.

 

[kingcy]

It's got to be the worst loss since the 90's, with the possible exception of losing to Baylor to end their 37 game road losing streak.

On a positive note, sometimes you have to hit bottom, as they say, and that was the bottom.

I thought the UNLV game was suppose to be bottom.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

My ISU Football "Hope & Change" tank is empty. I would have understood a close loss at Baylor. But we got smoked. That is a clear indicator of where this program stands.

I anticipated this season that we would be improving and have one upset against a team that we weren't supposed to beat. I have no indication from our games that that is going to happen. As a fan, it's another season of unmet reasonable-to-low expectations.

I love the Clones, and I think Chizik is a good coach. But I just can't muster another ounce of hope for this program. It looks the same and now it feels the same after this 2 year romance of newness and hope has worn off. It's like paying good money to have some one kick you in the nuts every Saturday. This whole program is built on hope and not substance. Chizik Coins, "Guess Who Is Going to a Bowl Game" T-Shirts, and a lot of posturing about direction that never materializes.

I will be there every Saturday, but I will never scream in support or talk smack again in favor of this program. There's nothing to hang our hats on here. This is a terrible football team.

It's always fun speculating about the team in the spring though!

Agree completely. Losses like this make me wonder why I wait in anticipation for 8 months during the off-season. Reading about the recruits, and how great practice is going, and how the team is fired up for the season and the offense is crisp and defense is young but improving...blah blah blah.

This loss is truly a spirit breaker. If we don't make vast improvements in the next 12 months, we're going to get smoked by Baylor AT HOME, and give them only their 3rd conference road win ever.

Expect some boos (not from me) next weekend if the team does not come out with some fire against an equally pathetic kNebraska team.

 

[DaddyMac]

I haven't read this thread much - don't care to relive last night. So I'm probably saying nothing new.

Speed was clearly the difference. Griffin, the wideouts, the kick-return. But I think just as clear a factor is our own incompetence.

We have our second pf of the year where we nail a punt returner before he catches the ball! How the hell does that happen? Until this year, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw that. Now I see two in 4 weeks? And spare me the "it sends a message" crap. It sends the message that we a bunch of morons. And the returner was so "shaken" by this experience that he picks himself up and advances the still live ball another 10 yards or so.

Second, we have to be about the only team that gets inside the 5 and consistently goes backwards. We can't score inside the 10, so we kick a FG, get a roughing call for a fresh set of downs from the 3. Tack in there a PI call so now it's first and goal from the 2. Where did we kick from? The 10 or 15? And we had 2 or 3 penalties in there?

The kickoff that went for a TD? Did we only have 5 or 6 players on the field? The announcers were praising the "wedge" for doing a great job. 3 Baylor players up the middle of the wedge didn't touch ANYBODY. The coverage was worse than pathetic. The only guy who had a shot at him was Mahoney. And that just isn't going to happen.

All you could do last night is to laugh. That, or cry.

 

[TOMMY BOY]

There are some great posts here. We know we are young. We know we are rebuilding. We know that bringing talent to Ames will always be diificult. But.......
!We can have good coaching and excellent fundamentals, and as many have posted earlier, ther is no excuse for this.

!! We need a "summer camp" of fundamentals in every practice. We need a coaching staff with their head in the game and with new ideas and innovation.

I think GC needs to be asked those tough questions about fundamentals and competency of his staff before this all becomes a broken record in years to come. He can't keep making excuses for himself and his staff. He needs to recognize that these kids need to be taught how to play the game of football first and foremost, and the rest may come later.

 

[bos]

I think GC needs to be asked those tough questions about fundamentals and competency of his staff before this all becomes a broken record in years to come. .

I can agree with this. Genes head is probably swirling with all he wants to get done. He needs to sit down and reorganize his thoughts. Someone should ask him this stuff so at least he gets thinking about it if he hasnt already. Im sure he is not above suggestions. I think hes in the mentality that he is still at Texas and these players are going to have it from the start. He has them hitting it full steam and they arent ready and are sloppy.

 

[brianhos]

I haven't read this thread much - don't care to relive last night. So I'm probably saying nothing new.

Speed was clearly the difference. Griffin, the wideouts, the kick-return. But I think just as clear a factor is our own incompetence.

We have our second pf of the year where we nail a punt returner before he catches the ball! How the hell does that happen? Until this year, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw that. Now I see two in 4 weeks? And spare me the "it sends a message" crap. It sends the message that we a bunch of morons. And the returner was so "shaken" by this experience that he picks himself up and advances the still live ball another 10 yards or so.

Second, we have to be about the only team that gets inside the 5 and consistently goes backwards. We can't score inside the 10, so we kick a FG, get a roughing call for a fresh set of downs from the 3. Tack in there a PI call so now it's first and goal from the 2. Where did we kick from? The 10 or 15? And we had 2 or 3 penalties in there?

The kickoff that went for a TD? Did we only have 5 or 6 players on the field? The announcers were praising the "wedge" for doing a great job. 3 Baylor players up the middle of the wedge didn't touch ANYBODY. The coverage was worse than pathetic. The only guy who had a shot at him was Mahoney. And that just isn't going to happen.

All you could do last night is to laugh. That, or cry.

That drive just had ISU football written all over. Given all the chances and they still cannot make 1 play to score. I don't think I have ever laughed at ISU football, but that was just funny and sickening at the same time. I was waiting for the coaches to just call a timeout, tell people to calm down and think about this and then lets go and score, yet they just kept going backwards.

 

[DaddyMac]

I can agree with this. Genes head is probably swirling with all he wants to get done. He needs to sit down and reorganize his thoughts. Someone should ask him this stuff so at least he gets thinking about it if he hasnt already. Im sure he is not above suggestions. I think hes in the mentality that he is still at Texas and these players are going to have it from the start. He has them hitting it full steam and they arent ready and are sloppy.

Well, the good news is that in 2 and 3 years, we should have ALOT of starting experience.

 

[DaddyMac]

BTW - what was the reason for the re-kick to start the second half. I never heard a call.

 

[kingcy]

I was waiting for the coaches to just call a timeout, tell people to calm down and think about this and then lets go and score, yet they just kept going backwards.

Timeouts are over rated. You get special bonus points if you have some remaining at halftime.

I was thinking the samething, well yelling, call a timeout and get this team calmed down.

 

[gocubs2118]

BTW - what was the reason for the re-kick to start the second half. I never heard a call.

Offsides

:no:

 

[kingcy]

BTW - what was the reason for the re-kick to start the second half. I never heard a call.

Off-sides on the KO, one of those things that only happens to ISU, it like the 5th time we have been off sides on a kick this year. The return for a TD after that has ISU football writen all over it.

 

[JJ4ISU]

I have to say I was impressed how both Kansas and Baylor took chances on 4th down against us, and it paid off...big time. Last night, down by three and four touchdowns, we decided to punt on 4th down in our opponents' territory. I couldn't believe it...

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Really quickly, can we stop saying 'ISU football' while intending to say 'stupid' or 'terrible play' or things like that? That is just a terrible way to say things. I know we have just had an embarrassing loss, but if I wanted to hear that kind of talk I'd speak to a husker or a hawk.

 

[DaddyMac]

Off-sides on the KO, one of those things that only happens to ISU, it like the 5th time we have been off sides on a kick this year. The return for a TD after that has ISU football writen all over it.

And who didn't get that sinking feeling in their stomach when we tee'd it back up?

:sad:

 

[ajk4st8]

I almost feel bad for Gene. Last night was certainly a setback to college football.

[FONT=Verdana,arial]"It's like watching a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob out there! "
--- Patches O'houlihan

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[kingcy]

I almost feel bad for Gene. Last night was certainly a setback to college football.

Do you think he ever wonders; what have I got myself into. He has got to get this thing figured out, its not just the players that are not good right now.