Just a brief summary of Prohm's talent v results

[swiacy]

Creighton surprised us all by taking McDermott off our hands when we wanted him canned. They evidently knew something because he has taken the Blue Jays to a consistent top 15 program. Prohm seems like he needs a different situation too. I have been real impressed with DeVries at Drake, he won’t be at Drake long.

 

[RotatingColumn]

We went 32-5 with primarily a 7 man rotation in 2000. You had pros in Morris, Niang, Nader, Thomas and Burton on that squad. Not to mention Naz to start and McKay who was defensive player of the year as a Jr. You have two of the 10 best players to ever put on a Cyclone uniform on that team but yet “it wasn’t built for much success”. GTFOH.

The 2000 squad played defense. Weak D is why Fred's teams underachieved. I have no idea if Prohm can coach defense or not, he has yet to put a team together, just a bunch of guys trying out for the NBA.

 

[cyatheart]

I think this board is unbearable during basketball season. Prohm isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You all who want to make a new thread every time you get frustrated are just going to have to deal with it. This **** situation is as much a Jamie and Fred problem as a Steve problem. Controversial, I know.

I swear Fred hoiberg had sexual relations some guys wives on here as much as people hate him

 

[Rabbuk]

I swear Fred hoiberg had sexual relations some guys wives on here as much as people hate him

 

[cyatheart]

This is my CSP take.

Negative: Has recurite talent that has left early, ultimately hurting his teams because they are missing talent that was being counted on to solidify the team in the future. There for he underperforms his recruiting.

Positives: he cares about his players and ISU equally. He isn't Fran McCaffery. He can recruit talent.

With those things in mind I am willing to give him a longer leash.

A) This season is ****** because of COVID and would be a really ****** year to fire a coach and have a new coach coming in trying to keep current players (can't meet as much as neede) and recruit future players.

B) CSP has been able to compete when he gets upper classmen developed. They will be fine. This year is gonna suck, but more so because Haliburton turned into a stud (a great thing) than anything else. He should be a junior on this team, and how good would that team if you have him. CSP recruited that kid thinking he had a 4 year guy, who turned out to be a 2 year guy.

C)The cupboard isn't bear, they have some kids that can play this year. They have had small setbacks as far as practice abilities, as well as COVID to deal with a new squad. Let alone one of the better players on the team hasn't played a game yet. They will be better in February than they are now.

Everyone needs to step back and look at reality, Fred started something, in a landscape that was different than today, CSP was able to pick up and equal Fred's results, he has recruited excellent talent to the team. Also, if you fire him who are you hiring that is better?

nobody thinks he’s getting fired this year

 

[IcSyU]

I don’t think people understand how good top 10 teams are. There aren't many teams out there who don't have a true big man in the top 10. You can get into the top 25 on guard play....you get into the top 10 with big men who can get buckets when the guards struggle.

Nader in the NBA still absolutely blows my mind based on his time at Iowa State.

 

[jcisuclones]

nobody thinks he’s getting fired this year

This. Should he be? Absolutely. Will he be? We literally can't do it.

 

[CoKane]

I think this board is unbearable during basketball season. Prohm isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You all who want to make a new thread every time you get frustrated are just going to have to deal with it. This **** situation is as much a Jamie and Fred problem as a Steve problem. Controversial, I know.

We're blaming Fred 6 years after he left? Jesus christ

 

[Rabbuk]

We're blaming Fred 6 years after he left? Jesus christ

Things were great before fred, our best player was jamie vander beeken... Oh wait no diante. Our 2nd best player was jamie

 

[Gunnerclone]

I swear Fred hoiberg had sexual relations some guys wives on here as much as people hate him

I’ll never hate Fred and want him to come back at some point. He’s my all time favorite ISU player.

 

[madguy30]

We went 32-5 with primarily a 7 man rotation in 2000. You had pros in Morris, Niang, Nader, Thomas and Burton on that squad. Not to mention Naz to start and McKay who was defensive player of the year as a Jr. You have two of the 10 best players to ever put on a Cyclone uniform on that team but yet “it wasn’t built for much success”. GTFOH.

Are you talking about two different teams here?

 

[madguy30]

Yep. Those of us who have been around here long enough remember the exact same excuses being used for GMac that we now see for Prohm. And the exact same kind of woe is us "we'll never get anyone better, iowa state can never expect better than garbage" responses.

CPR was sort of similar too with the 'airport is too far away' stuff. One of his last years, B12 coaches were asked how they would describe their teams coming into the year and his one word was 'hungry'.

Haha. Hungry. Being excited to play is what we do.

 

[jctisu]

This is actually harder to answer than I first thought. A Final Four or Elite 8 would be fun as hell, but I rarely remember who won the previous years March Madness, much less who made the Final Four (unless it was a big Loyola-type underdog).

I'm not sure if I'd take the trade-off of having one great year, knowing they'd be accompanied by 4 years of missing the tournament, even if that sounds pretty heavenly right now. I like having something to root for in the tournament every year. I pay more attention to other games looking for potential matchups.

Of course, never seeing us in a Final Four makes it easier to make that decision.

I get what you are saying but you are looking at it from a national perspective. You obviously don’t remember most Final Four teams or care because just that. You don’t care about those teams. Now if that team was Iowa State, who you care about a lot, one magical season is worth it. We all still revel about the Elite 8 squad and will do the same if this years football team can finish this off with a Big 12 title and a NY6 win.

 

[xtds33y]

I'm blaming Johnny.

Hey now. No one should tread there. Lol.

 

[rochclone]

Are you talking about two different teams here?

Obviously.

 

[jmb]

ISU fans when they see surly in this thread

This makes me happy

 

[CYdTracked]

Prohm has kind of been a victim of his own recruiting. Seems to get some good talent that leaves for the pros within a year or 2 then misses on some guys that you need to be solid 4 year players to have some kind of continuity in the program. It is crazy to think that Solomon Young is the only player he has recruited that stayed 4 years (technically 5 with the redshirt.) The one thing we seem to have been lacking lately are getting those guys like Naz and Thomas who are solid 4 years guys that you can sprinkle in some transfers and 1 or 2 year and done type guys around and be able to maintain a winning culture. Seems like lately almost every other year we are having to turn over the roster with a whole new set of guys and it is ugly watching the early struggles of trying to build some chemistry and settle into roles. Prohm shoulders some blame as well with his coaching too. The same thing kind of happened to McDermott too, he would bring in quality talent but couldn't keep them here for 1 reason or another and was constantly having to turn over the roster. When you miss on transfers or HS kids that are not highly recruited then it just makes it that much worse too.

 

[Clonefan32]

Prohm has kind of been a victim of his own recruiting. Seems to get some good talent that leaves for the pros within a year or 2 then misses on some guys that you need to be solid 4 year players to have some kind of continuity in the program. It is crazy to think that Solomon Young is the only player he has recruited that stayed 4 years (technically 5 with the redshirt.) The one thing we seem to have been lacking lately are getting those guys like Naz and Thomas who are solid 4 years guys that you can sprinkle in some transfers and 1 or 2 year and done type guys around and be able to maintain a winning culture. Seems like lately almost every other year we are having to turn over the roster with a whole new set of guys and it is ugly watching the early struggles of trying to build some chemistry and settle into roles. Prohm shoulders some blame as well with his coaching too. The same thing kind of happened to McDermott too, he would bring in quality talent but couldn't keep them here for 1 reason or another and was constantly having to turn over the roster. When you miss on transfers or HS kids that are not highly recruited then it just makes it that much worse too.

I don't disagree with anything you've said. However, it's the reality of CBB right now. More professional options, more kids willing to roll the dice on the G league, more transfers, etc.

The good coaches are the ones who can deal with roster turnover and identify and recruit guys that fit what they are trying to do. He's not been able to do that.

 

[Nader_uggghhh]

Let's not pretend that we've been consistently getting Top 25 recruiting classes every year. Our recruiting is great for ISU, not the national level. That said, we've had a major identity problem every year. I'm not sure that anyone thinks that Steve is the long term answer but it's a lot harder to win here than our fans are willing to reckon with.

 

[cyeah]

Johnny's last team/Floyds first team had a lot of Pro talent on it - Fred, Loren, Hurl (Germany), Julius I think got payed somewhere but I think you are correct there hasn't been a time in ISU history with 7 players who eventually played in the NBA on it.