KXNO was a good listen UNTIL

[3GenClone]

As a Hawk fan I like this game and hope they continue it, and think it is all the better the more competitive that it is. Good for both teams...good for the state.

I also think MP is a DB.

That being said, his statement that "Iowa has nothing to gain by playing isu nationally" is spot on. isu gets no respect from the national media. National media understands it is a rivalry game, but no one puts much stock in. As far as the national spotlight goes it would be better for the Hawks to play a middle of the road or even bad team from the east coast...Big East or ACC. More respect, more exposure.

I will agree that Iowa-ISU means nothing to the national media, however Iowa-ISU means everything to MP and the local media. This is the premier event (at least this early in the football season) in the State. If (and that's a big if) Iowa were to lose on Saturday, this would absolutely kill the local sports talk radio for the year. KXNO and the Champ would have to shift topics immediately how Iowa went from a national title darkhorse, to how a team that lost to Iowa State would compete in the Big 10. An ISU win would be the most beneficial to ISU fans, only because we would get to hear about how good Iowa State is to make the Hawks look better.

Remember, Matt P is biding his time until the Iowa-Nebraska "rivalry" begins to take place, as that match-up increases his value (due to his connections in Omaha/Lincoln) to the Des Moines market. Matt isn't going away antime soon (assuming he doesn't say anything too risque) as he will be the premier (and only) voice for the untapped Husker fanbase in the Des Moines Metro. If ISU fans think Hawk fans are annoying now, just wait until Husker fans capture the local airwaves in the next couple of years...

 

[LoewDog]

DB plates...never understood them.

Spend money to degrade one team rather than support your team?

On the west side of DM you will find BEATUI...in case you want an example from the other side.

 

[Trainer]

I will agree that Iowa-ISU means nothing to the national media, however Iowa-ISU means everything to MP and the local media. This is the premier event (at least this early in the football season) in the State. If (and that's a big if) Iowa were to lose on Saturday, this would absolutely kill the local sports talk radio for the year. KXNO and the Champ would have to shift topics immediately how Iowa went from a national title darkhorse, to how a team that lost to Iowa State would compete in the Big 10. An ISU win would be the most beneficial to ISU fans, only because we would get to hear about how good Iowa State is to make the Hawks look better.

Remember, Matt P is biding his time until the Iowa-Nebraska "rivalry" begins to take place, as that match-up increases his value (due to his connections in Omaha/Lincoln) to the Des Moines market. Matt isn't going away antime soon (assuming he doesn't say anything too risque) as he will be the premier (and only) voice for the untapped Husker fanbase in the Des Moines Metro. If ISU fans think Hawk fans are annoying now, just wait until Husker fans capture the local airwaves in the next couple of years...

I agree, this will be bad. As someone said on here earlier Arrogance bowl.

 

[rdubbs]

I will agree that Iowa-ISU means nothing to the national media, however Iowa-ISU means everything to MP and the local media. This is the premier event (at least this early in the football season) in the State. If (and that's a big if) Iowa were to lose on Saturday, this would absolutely kill the local sports talk radio for the year. KXNO and the Champ would have to shift topics immediately how Iowa went from a national title darkhorse, to how a team that lost to Iowa State would compete in the Big 10. An ISU win would be the most beneficial to ISU fans, only because we would get to hear about how good Iowa State is to make the Hawks look better.

Remember, Matt P is biding his time until the Iowa-Nebraska "rivalry" begins to take place, as that match-up increases his value (due to his connections in Omaha/Lincoln) to the Des Moines market. Matt isn't going away antime soon (assuming he doesn't say anything too risque) as he will be the premier (and only) voice for the untapped Husker fanbase in the Des Moines Metro. If ISU fans think Hawk fans are annoying now, just wait until Husker fans capture the local airwaves in the next couple of years...

Matty P bashed the Huskers time and time again when he was in Nebraska so I'm not sure you can call him "the voice" of Huskernation.

 

[Cyrocks]

Not trying to flame you here or anything but what do you have to gain by playing EIU?

I'd give you a 1,000 postive reps if I could, Trainer. You asked the $1 million question.

In fact, let's turn it around a little. What would USC have to gain by playing Iowa? What would Florida have to gain by playing Iowa? Using LoewDog's logic, USC and Florida have all the media attention and national respect they could ever want, so they would get no benefit from playing Iowa.

 

[jmb]

Not trying to flame you here or anything but what do you have to gain by playing EIU?

a full stadium and a certain victory...

 

[Clonefan32]

I just love that this is the most innovated piece of knowledge Perrault can grace us with. Original stuff there Perrault, you know you are truly a master of your craft when you are completely incapable of novel thought, but rather rely on old stereotypes passed down from tavernhawk to tavernhawk. Have you been to the practices? Have you noticed a different approach to the game from each respective team? Don't even mention the fans, because with both fanbases there are some who take the game more seriously than others.

I am assuming you have done no such research to back up these claims, leaving you with nothing more than repeating old stereotypes. That's some fine journalism there.

 

[3GenClone]

Matty P bashed the Huskers time and time again when he was in Nebraska so I'm not sure you can call him "the voice" of Huskernation.

This is true, but he's already hyped Huskers-Hawks as the biggest event in the state of Iowa. I'll bet his tone changes quickly to back up Husker fans, as KXNO already has the Hawkeye fanbase/analysis covered.

 

[rdubbs]

This is true, but he's already hyped Huskers-Hawks as the biggest event in the state of Iowa. I'll bet his tone changes quickly to back up Husker fans, as KXNO already has the Hawkeye fanbase/analysis covered.

Don't kid yourself, Hawkeye fans have already seen through Matty's act. On a side note did you see his twitter slapfest with Jon Miller yesterday? Matt should really learn to pull himself away from twitter/messageboards more often (he can't seem to NOT come off like a 12yr old)

 

[Trainer]

I'd give you a 1,000 postive reps if I could, Trainer. You asked the $1 million question.

In fact, let's turn it around a little. What would USC have to gain by playing Iowa? What would Florida have to gain by playing Iowa? Using LoewDog's logic, USC and Florida have all the media attention and national respect they could ever want, so they would get no benefit from playing Iowa.

Well Thank you, but it does go against the same logic that many Hawkeye fan's keep saying. If we are as bad as the national media says we are, then a preseason number nine should be able to wipe the field with ISU, and it would be another "tune up" "easy rolling victory" for U of I.

I have no problem with the Hawkeye's schedule, in fact I wish ISU would schedule more like U of I, but I do have a problem with the lack of respect that ISU receives all around from everyone, by claiming U of I has everything to lose, and shouldn't play the game.
(God I am bored at work:biglaugh::biglaugh

 

[LoewDog]

Not trying to flame you here or anything but what do you have to gain by playing EIU?

The only benefit to playing EIU is to get a glorified tune-up before the tougher games start...a la isu and Arizona.

Granted NIU is tougher than EIU, but still should be a tune-up before you guys get Iowa and Utah.

From what I hear, these Nebby fans can be brutal...and based on the ones I know I could see that.

 

[Trainer]

The only benefit to playing EIU is to get a glorified tune-up before the tougher games start...a la isu and Arizona.

Granted NIU is tougher than EIU, but still should be a tune-up before you guys get Iowa and Utah.

From what I hear, these Nebby fans can be brutal...and based on the ones I know I could see that.

So your saying that there is a progression in skill level of your opponents right? Isn't that enough to justify scheduling Iowa State? I guess I don't understand how you have more to lose by playing ISU than say Baylor. (a team that has had its troubles historically in football correct me if I am wrong)

 

[LoewDog]

I'd give you a 1,000 postive reps if I could, Trainer. You asked the $1 million question.

In fact, let's turn it around a little. What would USC have to gain by playing Iowa? What would Florida have to gain by playing Iowa? Using LoewDog's logic, USC and Florida have all the media attention and national respect they could ever want, so they would get no benefit from playing Iowa.

So by using my logic against me...who could Florida play? Obviously they play lesser teams...which most of the time includes Iowa.

Implying that Florida vs. Iowa is similar to Iowa vs. EIU is just plain not well thought out.

This year anyways...that little #9 in front of Iowa does make the game a national draw and gains Florida quite a bit if they win in this hypothetical situation. At least the voters and computers would say so.

As far as highly rated Iowa should kill isu...yeah based on rank they should. Yet we all know that is not going to happen.

 

[LoewDog]

So your saying that there is a progression in skill level of your opponents right? Isn't that enough to justify scheduling Iowa State? I guess I don't understand how you have more to lose by playing ISU than say Baylor. (a team that has had its troubles historically in football correct me if I am wrong)

I didn't say more to lose. I said more to gain.

Using the CBS 120:

Iowa gains more by beating #80 Syracuse, #83 Virginia or #91 Mississippi than it does by beating #77 isu. Similar teams but you get the East Coast or SEC exposure.

A loss kills you no matter who it is to out of that group...and actually a loss to isu might drop you more based on the perception of the schools involved.

* Let me say again...I love the isu rivalry and would be very disappointed if they stopped it.

 

[Trainer]

I didn't say more to lose. I said more to gain.

Using the CBS 120:

Iowa gains more by beating #80 Syracuse, #83 Virginia or #91 Mississippi than it does by beating #77 isu. Similar teams but you get the East Coast or SEC exposure.

A loss kills you no matter who it is to out of that group...and actually a loss to isu might drop you more based on the perception of the schools involved.

* Let me say again...I love the isu rivalry and would be very disappointed if they stopped it.

Yeah sorry bout the nothing to lose, I lost track of the argument. In that sense yes you do get exposure there. It is just mind boggling to hear from many of the hawk fanbase that this game is a joke and shouldn't be played. It is good for the state(and lord knows the state needs everything it can get), and good for the cities(iowa city, and ames both get a nice boost from playing an in state rival) If rhoads keeps developing and ISU becomes a big twelve contender consistently it will hold national value for the hawkeyes.

 

[RandomFan]

I would say ISU has little to gain on a national scale by playing Iowa. If we lose, they say how we were supposed to lose. If we win, they blow it off by saying it's a rivalry game and anything can happen. Basically calling any win over Iowa a fluke, even when we've had the better team. But for the most part, national media are idiots, so I don't really care what they think.

 

[Trainer]

I would say ISU has little to gain on a national scale by playing Iowa. If we lose, they say how we were supposed to lose. If we win, they blow it off by saying it's a rivalry game and anything can happen. Basically calling any win over Iowa a fluke, even when we've had the better team. But for the most part, national media are idiots, so I don't really care what they think.

This is true to an extent. Until Iowa State has consistent 7-6, 8-5 years it won't mean much because it will only be a rivalry.

 

[Madclone1]

I didn't say more to lose. I said more to gain.

Using the CBS 120:

Iowa gains more by beating #80 Syracuse, #83 Virginia or #91 Mississippi than it does by beating #77 isu. Similar teams but you get the East Coast or SEC exposure.

A loss kills you no matter who it is to out of that group...and actually a loss to isu might drop you more based on the perception of the schools involved.

* Let me say again...I love the isu rivalry and would be very disappointed if they stopped it.

Right, just like Nebraska fell last year after the ISU loss? Correct? It seems to me they contended for the Big XII title pretty well and positioned themselves to win a lot of respect . . not to mention the respect they have this year.

If ISU has a national perception problem, it starts here in this state. The CYCLOWNS, little brother, ISU's Super Bowl comments fueled by an IGNORANT fan base and MEDIA contribute to the "national perception" issue (if that is true).

Need another example? How about the CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT issue this summer? Didn't we hear from our local MEDIA how ISU needed to drop DOWN in its competition . . not to mention the pure unmitigated GLEE from hawkdom and GIGGLES???? KXNO's constant drumbeat that ISU NEEDED TO ACCEPT a LESSER conference bid????

During the conference realignment discussion did we not READ how the Des Moines Register propagated the "demise of ISU" theme????

During the conference realignment discussion HOW MUCH HELP DID ISU GET from the Board of Regents? How much respect did ISU get from the U of I during this discussion???? Nada, zero, zilch.

So . . if there is ANY national perception problem . . its SEEDS are right here in Iowa. That is why we at ISU must "call out" the GIGGLES in the MEDIA . . and call out the tavern hawk mentality ingrained in this state. ISU is a great institution with a great fan base . . we have no reason to take second place to anybody anywhere.

 

[LoewDog]

No matter the teams, I cannot imagine an unrated team beating a top 10 team and not have it be a positive.

When isu was down I would agree, but I was under the assumption that isu had turned the corner. New winning coach, 7-6 with a bowl win last year, winning record and a bowl win anticipated this year. Beating Iowa this year goes a long way IMO.

 

[Cyclone46]

That being said, his statement that "Iowa has nothing to gain by playing isu nationally" is spot on. isu gets no respect from the national media. National media understands it is a rivalry game, but no one puts much stock in. As far as the national spotlight goes it would be better for the Hawks to play a middle of the road or even bad team from the east coast...Big East or ACC. More respect, more exposure.

Iowa is ranked number 9 in the country and no ranked team has anything to gain by playing unranked team unless they don't make the spread or they lose the game. That is the point of being ranked, you should be better than your opponent. Your statement about playing a crappy Big East school doesn't get you more national attention...it may get you a piece of regional attention, but in the end, it won't give you more spotlight unless you lose. Ironic that history would show over the past decade plus a few years, you have a greater chance of losing to ISU than to somebody else. So don't put on the face of "we get no national attention so it isn't worth our time", but be honest and say that your chances of losing this game is increased because of the hype and rivalry. Your odds of losing ISU/Iowa game are about 50/50, no matter how good Iowa is suppose to be or how bad ISU is suppose to be. It doesn't play into your favor not because of national attention, but because this game could go either way and Iowa fans know it. Beating a Big 12 school is a good thing for your program, losing isn't especially in an in state rivalry. Don't worry, in a few years ISU will be ranked and you won't and then you can make your argument about playing us won't give you national attention.

Enjoy the game this weekend and then you can go back to your boring *** Big 10 games that are like watching molasses run down a tree.