One year isn't turning the corner. I wish it was but it isn't. I feel that Rhoads is trying his hardest to make that move but it won't happen until there are consistent winning seasons.
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One year isn't turning the corner. I wish it was but it isn't. I feel that Rhoads is trying his hardest to make that move but it won't happen until there are consistent winning seasons.
I agree. I deliver the paper and this morning I noticed one of my houses had a gian tigerhawk painted int he front window and "Beat State" painted on the upstairs windows. Appearantly no one told this family that the game means nothing for the hawks. They seem to think it means plently, because there was no hawk items on the house last week.
The disconnect here is that anyone nationally would care if iowa played Syracuse or UVA. They don't. Iowa played Syracuse a few years ago and NO ONE cared. You get national exposure by WINNING. That means keeping that little 9 in front of your name and playing big games on national TV. That means playing in BCS bowls. I wonder, would iowa/Syracuse be on national TV this weekend? Doubtful. But hey, the "national perception" of ISU being a bowl-winning Big 12 team is supposedly so bad that I guess it is a no-win situation for iowa??
Your saying schools like #80 Syracuse, #83 Virginia or #91 Mississippi are perceived to be better than isu because local media and Iowa fans painting isu as a notch below Iowa? You don't think it has more to do with isu's futility over an extended period of time?
It was unfortunate that some media outlets thought the drop down was a good idea, although I heard more than one clone fan talk about potentially being ok with it...something to the tune of "wouldn't we be better off winning conference titles and going to bowl games every year?"
As far as the BoR...I know little about how they function, but didn't they help subsidize the isu athletic department for years? How were they going to convince the Big 12 to stay together? How were they going to tell the Big 10 they had to take isu (which would only add to your big brother issue - see Michigan State).
The best thing for isu is to jump on with Coach Rhodes and watch him turn this thing around a la Coach Ferentz. I think he is the right guy for the job and will get you there.
It was unfortunate that some media outlets thought the drop down was a good idea, although I heard more than one clone fan talk about potentially being ok with it...something to the tune of "wouldn't we be better off winning conference titles and going to bowl games every year?"
As far as the BoR...I know little about how they function, but didn't they help subsidize the isu athletic department for years? How were they going to convince the Big 12 to stay together? How were they going to tell the Big 10 they had to take isu (which would only add to your big brother issue - see Michigan State).
The best thing for isu is to jump on with Coach Rhodes and watch him turn this thing around a la Coach Ferentz. I think he is the right guy for the job and will get you there.
Guys...I have said nothing but I love this game and do not want it to go away. It is great for the state, fans, ect.
My point is that playing the BCS ranking game involves getting votes. Exposure to the East Coast and SEC bias voter markets helps get more votes. All I'm saying is that in that aspect, playing schools out there does more for you than Iowa playing isu. I could care less if anyone around here cares for Syracuse...the NY media market would and that carries a lot of votes.
Keep trying to paint me as one of those Hawk fans you love to hate, but not once did I degrade your conference or university...like the poster above had to stoop to.
My point is that playing the BCS ranking game involves getting votes. Exposure to the East Coast and SEC bias voter markets helps get more votes. All I'm saying is that in that aspect, playing schools out there does more for you than Iowa playing isu. I could care less if anyone around here cares for Syracuse...the NY media market would and that carries a lot of votes.
Keep trying to paint me as one of those Hawk fans you love to hate, but not once did I degrade your conference or university...like the poster above had to stoop to.
What did it do for us in '05? Iowa was ranked 8, ISU wins by 20, ISU goes 7-4 and gets a trip to the Houston bowl, Iowa goes 7-4 and gets another Jan bowl with a trip to the Outback bowl. So what did that 20 point win over 8th-rated Iowa do for us on a national scale?
6-5 with a loss to Iowa vs. 7-4 with a win against Iowa...I'd say it got you a bowl game. Once isu fans get a rep for traveling to bowl games like Iowa fans do, I'd say it would get you better than the Houston Bowl.
C'mon man, if we replace Iowa with a ****** team and win by 3 we still would have gone to Houston.
Also, another misconception that ISU fans don't travel. Ask Missouri why they didn't travel to Arizona last December.
If/When Michigan and Notre Dame come back to power then Iowa will fall back to the pack and be a consistant 5-8 game winner. Then they will NEED the Iowa State game to drum up interest and money. There are alot of local and regional businesses that invest money in this rivalry to gain attention of both fan bases... They won't be as willing to throw money at an Iowa - Maryland match up.
I'm actually enjoying reading your posts LoewDog, I think for the most part you've been spot on (and very civil). We need to keep winning, the fans need to keep traveling and we need to continue to push back against misconceptions.
I think the biggest problem facing ISU is that Iowa is the "default" team for fans in the state. If we can be a consistent bowl team and an occasional Big XII contender, I think that may change, at least a little.
Iowa State is headed in the right direction, slowly but surely. We need to keep our heads up, and find more Hawk fans like LoewDog who, if nothing else, understand that college football is about a lot more than wins and losses.
Vaguely reminiscent of CU's rise to power while UT and OU sucked in the early 90's. Iowa is filling a void right now. Not saying they'll be terrible, but they may be back to 6-6 or 7-5 before long. Time will tell.
I am waiting for when LoewDog rips his mask away and reveals that he is actually TarHeelHawk.
I understand last year, and since I don't follow the clones I guess all the stuff in the past about not selling your allotted tickets was more negative local media spin? I honestly don't know so please inform me.
As far as the record...you honestly think a win vs. the #8 team would mean just as much as a win vs. some lower level unranked team? How can you say that when they breakdown the resumes of each bowl team every year? Don't remember that year's show exactly, but would guess #8 Iowa fell in the quality win column and helped make the clones case for a bowl birth. Much the way beating Utah will for you this year.
As far as the record...you honestly think a win vs. the #8 team would mean just as much as a win vs. some lower level unranked team? How can you say that when they breakdown the resumes of each bowl team every year? Don't remember that year's show exactly, but would guess #8 Iowa fell in the quality win column and helped make the clones case for a bowl birth. Much the way beating Utah will for you this year.
I didn't really believe the argument that some of the Iowa media are against us, until this summers realignment debacle. I think the register all but convinced the state that Iowa States only choice was to bail to the MWC before everyone left without, or that we belong in a lower conference. Really eye opening.
If you disagree with what radio hosts are talking about...call the show! If you agree with what radio hosts are talking about...call the show!
I can't stress enough that calls can fuel the direction of a show. If 75% of the calls to the show are hawk fans the tempo of the show will lean that direction.
(515) 284-5966 is KXNO's phone number. Light up the phone lines with Iowa State fans. Say how you feel about the Cyclones. Say what you think of the hawkeyes. Spew venom. Show heart. Why will Iowa State win? Think of a Tavern Hawk story to tell. Seriously...call! Don't ignore the show or quit listening..it doesn't do any good. Don't run away from what angers you, do something about it.
I can't stress enough that calls can fuel the direction of a show. If 75% of the calls to the show are hawk fans the tempo of the show will lean that direction.
(515) 284-5966 is KXNO's phone number. Light up the phone lines with Iowa State fans. Say how you feel about the Cyclones. Say what you think of the hawkeyes. Spew venom. Show heart. Why will Iowa State win? Think of a Tavern Hawk story to tell. Seriously...call! Don't ignore the show or quit listening..it doesn't do any good. Don't run away from what angers you, do something about it.
I just enjoy good football/sports talk no matter who it is with.
I have nothing against clone fans...just don't like the teams you cheer for :smile:. I do understand though that it is better for Iowa if isu is strong. In this world of computer voting and bias everywhere but the Midwest, it helps both schools immensely if they both carry some weight.
I have nothing against clone fans...just don't like the teams you cheer for :smile:. I do understand though that it is better for Iowa if isu is strong. In this world of computer voting and bias everywhere but the Midwest, it helps both schools immensely if they both carry some weight.
A 7-4 Big XII will go bowling no matter who they beat. I could agree with you if we were talking about the Iowa win helping us get to a more respected bowl, but not the Houston bowl. That's not exactly every kids dream to play in the Houston bowl.
As for attendance thing, I think there have been 2 times that ISU fans haven't travelled well. Boise, which was a complete implosion of a season and our second independence bowl trip, which was a product of a second trip to a less than stellar town in 3 years. And I'm not even sure about how many travelled to the second Independence trip, I may be wrong about that one.
