Mutcherson?

[SouthJerseyCy]

Yeah, we should kick off more kids with bad attitudes. Just look at that Winston kid at that Florida school. That cancerous behavior is running their program straight down....into a national championship. Meanwhlle, ISU can hold their heads high and celebrate in perpetuity 2-win seasons with a team full of good-natured, god-fearing, gentle but hard-working walk-ons.

I thought CPR's credo is helping these boys turn into grown men? How about for a change he learns to handle some differing attitudes and egos and put some Ws for our program into the record books.

Or maybe it's more important for the program that perennially-underachieving Granpappy Wally just doesn't appreciate all those little ruffians with no respect for their elders...

^^This^^

CPR needs to walk down the hall and have a chat with Hoiberg about how to handle talented players who may need a bit of an attitude adjustment. It seems strange that in MBB we have someone who has been able to completely turn players around and get them to buy into the team concept wholeheartedly, but CPR just benches or boots them. I realize they are different sports, but the concept of dealing with young people is not all that different and CPR seems completely incapable.

 

[ISUKyro]

Unless anyone is sleeping with CPRs wife is any of this really worth the drama?

 

[CycloneVet]

Is he or is he not for sure gone?

 

[isufbcurt]

^^This^^

CPR needs to walk down the hall and have a chat with Hoiberg about how to handle talented players who may need a bit of an attitude adjustment. It seems strange that in MBB we have someone who has been able to completely turn players around and get them to buy into the team concept wholeheartedly, but CPR just benches or boots them. I realize they are different sports, but the concept of dealing with young people is not all that different and CPR seems completely incapable.

Yeah because meshing 130 players on football and meshing 13 players in basketball is exactly the same thing. If you let Mutch get away with what he did then everyone sees it and thinks they can get away with it. Eventually you get the Rodney Coe effect.

 

[CycloneVet]

Yeah because meshing 130 players on football and meshing 13 players in basketball is exactly the same thing. If you let Mutch get away with what he did then everyone sees it and thinks they can get away with it. Eventually you get the Rodney Coe effect.

Do you know what he did? And is he gone?

 

[isufbcurt]

Do you know what he did? And is he gone?

yes i know but i do not know if he is gone

 

[CycloneVet]

yes i know but i do not know if he is gone

Is it serious enough to warrant being booted?

 

[LivntheCyLife]

^^This^^

CPR needs to walk down the hall and have a chat with Hoiberg about how to handle talented players who may need a bit of an attitude adjustment. It seems strange that in MBB we have someone who has been able to completely turn players around and get them to buy into the team concept wholeheartedly, but CPR just benches or boots them. I realize they are different sports, but the concept of dealing with young people is not all that different and CPR seems completely incapable.

This works a lot better when you have the foundation players like Christopherson, Ejim, or Niang to build and add JUCO or troubled transfers around.

IMO, things are only going to work if Rhoads can find the next Ellis Hobbs or Jake Knott. Talented guys that are also leaders.

 

[GetAwesome]

This works a lot better when you have the foundation players like Christopherson, Ejim, or Niang to build and add JUCO or troubled transfers around.

IMO, things are only going to work if Rhoads can find the next Ellis Hobbs or Jake Knott. Talented guys that are also leaders.

I can't argue the need for *talented* locker room leaders (on both sides of the ball), but you can't discredit the Hoiberg analogy based on this need. Hoiberg facilitated that leadership. This still falls largely on coaching. Some 18/19 year olds may have the traits to make a good locker room leader, but those leadership abilities being able to surface are largely the responsibility of management/coaching to properly identify and encourage those leadership traits, and facilitate a culture that allows the leaders to emerge. I wish I knew why excellent leaders have not emerged in the last season or two.

I should also clarify my earlier comments. I wasn't calling out Mutcherson at all, I was referring to Woody's comments that several people may need to be shown the door. Calling for booting a group of individuals with cancerous behavior is preachy and is not a clear-cut fix. Coaching is hard (can you believe it?!) and booting is never the sweeping "correct" answer. Booting certain individuals can just beget even more cancerous behavior.

 

[isufbcurt]

I can't argue the need for *talented* locker room leaders (on both sides of the ball), but you can't discredit the Hoiberg analogy based on this need. Hoiberg facilitated that leadership. This still falls largely on coaching. Some 18/19 year olds may have the traits to make a good locker room leader, but those leadership abilities being able to surface are largely the responsibility of management/coaching to properly identify and encourage those leadership traits, and facilitate a culture that allows the leaders to emerge. I wish I knew why excellent leaders have not emerged in the last season or two.

I should also clarify my earlier comments. I wasn't calling out Mutcherson at all, I was referring to Woody's comments that several people may need to be shown the door. Calling for booting a group of individuals with cancerous behavior is preachy and is not a clear-cut fix. Coaching is hard (can you believe it?!) and booting is never the sweeping "correct" answer. Booting certain individuals can just beget even more cancerous behavior.

But yet the first thing new coaches do is to run the bad apples out of the program when they get hired.

 

[GetAwesome]

But yet the first thing new coaches do is to run the bad apples out of the program when they get hired.

Not sure if serious?

CPR & Wally have been here for 6 years. All of these apples are their apples. They should probably coach these kids, or throw in the towel.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

I am pretty sure mutcherson will be in ames next fall.

 

[isufbcurt]

Not sure if serious?

CPR & Wally have been here for 6 years. All of these apples are their apples. They should probably coach these kids, or throw in the towel.

Sorry to not make my point clearer.

Point 1) If we would have hired a new coaching staff the first thing they would have done is ran off the bad apples.

Point 2) If bad apples develop from recruits of current coaches they still need to be ran off even if they are top notch players. If lesser players see you not treating players equally in the discipline area then they will push the discipline envelope and pretty soon you have lots of anamosity and not discipline.

If a kid doesn't want to be coached then you get rid of him.

A quote from Coach Rhoads that has stuck with me from my playing days is "Are you coachable and will you listen?" He used to say this to his DB's all the time. Meaning do they want to be coached and will they take/apply the coaching.

 

[ArgentCy]

Well, hopefully he sticks around and learns from the situation what ever it was. He obviously has some talent and made plays.

 

[Beyerball]

One player a team does not make I get it...but kicking off Irving and Coe prob cost this team a win or two..possibly. CPR has one year left, one and he knows next year is do or die. Sadly he's in zero position to be kicing the best defensive player off the team two years running.

 

[dirtyninety]

I have a bad attitude. Can I be banned again?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Is it serious enough to warrant being booted?

I would say that would be a matter of opinion, and as far as that goes...it should default to the opinion of CPR with assistant coach input; and I would hope they would listen to the opinions of the team leadership.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

One player a team does not make I get it...but kicking off Irving and Coe prob cost this team a win or two..possibly. CPR has one year left, one and he knows next year is do or die. Sadly he's in zero position to be kicing the best defensive player off the team two years running.

It's certainly a risk to his continued employment, but it would seem that the alternative would be to let the inmates run the asylum, and that's not a really good coaching career choice either.

 

[ISUCubswin]

I don't want any of the Burnhams putting in their opinions since they don't do **** for this program.

 

[Cyismymonkey]

I don't want any of the Burnhams putting in their opinions since they don't do **** for this program.[/QUOTE

As compared to whom?