Probably true. But to someone who enjoys crude and offensive humor, this is obviously pretty funny to me.
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon
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Probably true. But to someone who enjoys crude and offensive humor, this is obviously pretty funny to me.
I just used it as an example of other situations where the attacker has a clear physical advantage. Why was he even convicted of a crime? If a guy same size as him hit him first he would not have been charged with anything. Again, his response was not proportional because she was clearly not abe to do as much damage to him as she did to her.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/self-defense-overview.html
Proportional Response
The use of self-defense must also match the level of the threat in question. In other words, a person can only employ as much force as required to remove the threat. If the threat involves deadly force, the person defending themselves can use deadly force to counteract the threat. If, however, the threat involves only minor force and the person claiming self-defense uses force that could cause grievous bodily harm or death, the claim of self-defense will fail.
So if a guy pushed him like she did and he hit him you would look at it the same? If that were the case, this amounts to a college fight that he serves a game or two for. The fact that it was a woman is the key here. Like it's been said, it doesn't matter what she said or what she did.
I also don't get people who are now up in arms about this. You knew what happened. The video shows what had been put out. Seeing it shouldn't change anything. Can you imagine if a video of AP of him beating his kid came out?
Id say to say that guy or girl, if it gets to the point where you've broken someone's face and they have to have their jaw wired shut, it should be more than 'just a college fight that he serves a game or two for'.
And yes, people assumed this was what happpened, but they also thought the punishment from OU was lacking. OU could hide from some of the publicity without the video being out there, now theyre going to get the full brunt of it.
So the age old adage of "Never hit a woman." means nothing to you? Who raised you?
I literally knew nothing of this until I saw the video. I'd be willing to bet that 80-90% of the people on twitter knew nothing about this until they saw the video. Most people don't give a damn about OU football.
In my opinion his punishment should have been the same (more than he got) whether he hit and broke a woman's jaw or a man's.
For instance, the woman's friend in the black shirt that was standing there doesn't look like a particularly big guy. If her friend had pushed and slapped Mixon and Mixon retaliated the same way as he did I would hope there would be very serious consequences even though the victim was a man.
I prefer the old adage of "How about we just don't hit anyone."
I guess I don't necessarily agree with you there. I mean, if I get punched and punch back and I just so happen to break a guys jaw, is that really on me? Should one be expected, when an altercation is started by someone else, to control their level of strength? I just think that if someone starts a physical altercation and gets their jaw broken, that's a stupid games, stupid prizes type of thing. Obviously when its a man hitting a woman or child, that's completely different no matter who started it.
Then I guess you weren't who I was talking about. I was talking about the people who knew about it. My point was that people knew he punched a woman and broke her jaw. I don't really know what they expected that to look like.
Yes, and the law says so as well. Proportional response and all.
Well I would say throwing one punch after getting punched once is proportional.
There is 2 things he should have done in that situation.
1. Take it and walk away
2. Take it and laugh at her
I'd do #2, but I'm kind of an ass.
No excuse to go Mike Tyson on her
1. Take it and walk away
2. Take it and laugh at her
I'd do #2, but I'm kind of an ass.
No excuse to go Mike Tyson on her
I would agree with that to an extent. IMO, Mixon is a highly trained athlete so he'd have a physical advantage over most people without training in some sort of fighting or weight lifting. I think that should play into sentencing vs say if he fought another member of the football team.
Not sure there is any new news here. Now we just have video. Mixon sat a year because of what he did.
How is this worse than the Bubu Palo situation? There were a lot of Cyclone fans upset with ISU's stiff penalty of Bubu's actions. Penalizing morality seems arbitrary based on one's allegiance.
Sexual assault is a huge problem on college campuses. It is not a southern problem as some above have opined. It seems the policies of many college athletic deparments need changing. If I'm an AD or university President, I turn these issues over to the police ASAP along with a general university depatment to counsel both parties.
It also seems the way our legal system handles sexual assault needs a thorough review. The Gopher situation is a good example. No charges, but guys continue to be punished. However, university disciplinary action seems acceptable even if legal action isn't taken.
I wonder what would be the impact if names of both parties were NOT released until a conviction occured? Then the convicted person's name would become public record. Would more women go to the police if more anonimity existed during the pre-trial/trial phases? The downside of keeping publicity to a minimum, by releasing the defendant's name the posibility of more victims coming forward is possible, like of U of Wisconsin aledged rapist from earlier this fall.
How is this worse than the Bubu Palo situation? There were a lot of Cyclone fans upset with ISU's stiff penalty of Bubu's actions. Penalizing morality seems arbitrary based on one's allegiance.
Sexual assault is a huge problem on college campuses. It is not a southern problem as some above have opined. It seems the policies of many college athletic deparments need changing. If I'm an AD or university President, I turn these issues over to the police ASAP along with a general university depatment to counsel both parties.
It also seems the way our legal system handles sexual assault needs a thorough review. The Gopher situation is a good example. No charges, but guys continue to be punished. However, university disciplinary action seems acceptable even if legal action isn't taken.
I wonder what would be the impact if names of both parties were NOT released until a conviction occured? Then the convicted person's name would become public record. Would more women go to the police if more anonimity existed during the pre-trial/trial phases? The downside of keeping publicity to a minimum, by releasing the defendant's name the posibility of more victims coming forward is possible, like of U of Wisconsin aledged rapist from earlier this fall.
A) This is different than the Bubu situation because video of the crime happening has been released.
B) This has nothing to do with sexaul assault. This is just plain regular assault, which also isn't OK.
I don't think a reasonable person needs a video to determine fault and appropriate punishment. The facts of the case didn't change from 2 years ago. The player actions and score don't change if I listen to a football game on the radio vs. watch on TV.
Noted, the Mixon case did not involve sexual assault. But prior posts in this thread characterized this as a Southern problem and further referenced situations at Baylor and FSU.
My point about the video is that is was proven to have happened beyond a shadow of a doubt. Was the Bubu situation proven in such a fashion?
Given the accuser fabricated evidence in the Bubu case, i dont think there's any comparison. There was actual evidence out there discrediting the accuser, while here we have video showing exactly what the accused did.
