RAG man Peterson: Slams ISU on Attendance

[Madclone1]

How does attendance base mean average? I'm sure he was talking season ticket base.

Just read all the discussion . . not going to repeat what has been discussed.

I do know that the local media punks enjoy slamming ISU's poor attendance by claiming we have a mid 30s attendance for our games. But I'm sure we will have a score of ISU fans posting here to counter. They love defending the local media types . . great fanbase we have . . we are sooo fair. Maybe we do belong in the Missouri Valley or MAC.

 

[Madclone1]

One thing? The moment he stepped into the Jacobson building to begin his 2010 campaign to remind ISU fans why we can't succeed...

cysocool . . you will NEVER convince a certain percentage of our "fanbase" that we should criticize local media types. That would be sooo mean and unfair. In their minds . . the media types are ALWAYS spot on in their take on ISU.

Just know, for every post on this site daring to call out or criticize a local sports media hack (for anti ISU bias) you wil always have a dozen or so posters (same crowd) . . defending the very people who LOVE to dismiss ISU as a second rate athletic program.

Yes . . they will claim you are paranoid and insecure . . while we know the real issue . . the pro media crowd just can't muster the courage to confront . . cause conflict. We might hurt some feelings.

Secondly, the very same people who love to attack their fellow Clone fans for differeing opinions will always be ready to attack our fan base for lousy support (their words). Thereby ignoring the simple rule in sports . . if you win THEY (the fans) will come to the games. I think ISU fans have demonstrated outstanding support given the inconsistent product on the field. No wonder so many fans take their time to get their seats. They have been burned too many times. Win . .and all that goes away.

Now watch the responses.

 

[CykoAGR]

Randy Peterson:
I don't see Tom Herman going to a D-2 school, as you suggest. And do not believe everything you see on messageboards. If someone at the major-college level throws a lot of money at him to be an OC, then that could happen. And ISU fans have no one to blame but themselves -- hard to keep up with the Joneses when the season-attendance base is on the mid-30,000s

In case everyone wasnt clear on the actual quote it reads as bolded above

 

[Palmer]

In case everyone wasnt clear on the actual quote it reads as bolded above

nothing in the bold is incorrect.

our base is mid-thirties.

 

[Madclone1]

If every single seat in Jack Trice was filled with season ticketholders Jamie Pollard would be a very happy man.

And our Athletic Department budget would be millions of dollars larger. So our football coaches would also be very happy men with their larger contracts and better facilities.

You mean like Kansas, KSU, Bailer, and Colorado? They pack their "jacks" with season ticket holders too . . don't they!?

Why not compare apples to apples? OU (top ten program), Texas (go figure), OSU (billionaire cabbage plate), ATM (tradition), Iowa (going to win the National Champeenship every year), . . .

so . . does ISU currently fit in the former category (Kansas et al or the latter with Texas and OU)?

Iowa picked the state clean of its fanbase thanks to the horrible Fry run. All those kids grew up idolizing the hauks. NOW, ISU fandom needs to start STANDING up for itself and quit taking the jazz from the media and ignorant Iowa fanbase punks who smear ISU every chance they get. STAND up against this crap or be assigned to the Missouri Valley or MAC. Giggles would love it!

 

[volclone]

. . defending the very people who LOVE to dismiss ISU as a second rate athletic program.

I think ISU fans have demonstrated outstanding support given the inconsistent product on the field. No wonder so many fans take their time to get their seats. They have been burned too many times. Win . .and all that goes away.

It's amaziing how some still don't get it. If you average under 45,000 at home games you are, by definition, a second rate athletic program. It's simple numbers and economics. You won't be able to keep up with programs that regularly average 65-85,000 @ $50 per seat. And oh, by the way, the only way the attendance got to 41,000 at the last game was via the $10 per seat "giveaway."

And before you pat yourself on the back for supporting an "inconsistent product," want to know what the attendance was at Tennessee Saturday to watch a 5-6 team try to get bowl eligible? 101,500. For a team that had a losing record two years ago and was just 7-6 last year and has had three different coaches in three years.

Now give me all the other tired excuses for not buying season tickets--"I hate night games," "the concession prices are too high," "the bathrooms stink," "I'm going to wait until they PROVE TO ME they are going to win," Blah-blah-blah.

 

[Madclone1]

. . defending the very people who LOVE to dismiss ISU as a second rate athletic program.

I think ISU fans have demonstrated outstanding support given the inconsistent product on the field. No wonder so many fans take their time to get their seats. They have been burned too many times. Win . .and all that goes away.

It's amaziing how some still don't get it. If you average under 45,000 at home games you are, by definition, a second rate athletic program. It's simple numbers and economics. You won't be able to keep up with programs that regularly average 65-85,000 @ $50 per seat. And oh, by the way, the only way the attendance got to 41,000 at the last game was via the $10 per seat "giveaway."

And before you pat yourself on the back for supporting an "inconsistent product," want to know what the attendance was at Tennessee Saturday to watch a 5-6 team try to get bowl eligible? 101,500. For a team that had a losing record two years ago and was just 7-6 last year and has had three different coaches in three years.

Now give me all the other tired excuses for not buying season tickets--"I hate night games," "the concession prices are too high," "the bathrooms stink," "I'm going to wait until they PROVE TO ME they are going to win," Blah-blah-blah.

LOL . . . great apples to oranges analogy. You are a winner! Ding ding ding.

 

[Palmer]

35 to 40k base will be the norm.

That is the core of one nation.

not until a proven winner is on the field at JT...will ISU start getting the wagon hoppers. Sad but true.

 

[HFCS]

we get 50k or whatever for packed house with Nebraska and UNI. That means we'd need 20k at several other games to be 35k. That's ridiculous.

This guy is a tool. If he wanted to talk about our season ticket sales, he should have mentioned season ticket sales. 99% of people are just going to read what he wrote and figure there are only 35k in the stadium every saturday when the truth is the worst games of the year have 5k more than that and the best gates have over 15k more than that.

 

[Madclone1]

we get 50k or whatever for packed house with Nebraska and UNI. That means we'd need 20k at several other games to be 35k. That's ridiculous.

This guy is a tool. If he wanted to talk about our season ticket sales, he should have mentioned season ticket sales. 99% of people are just going to read what he wrote and figure there are only 35k in the stadium every saturday when the truth is the worst games of the year have 5k more than that and the best gates have over 15k more than that.

spot on brother . . but you'll be surprised at how many Clone "fans" will call you out! They just love to be fair to our critics!

 

[volclone]

LOL . . . great apples to oranges analogy. You are a winner! Ding ding ding.

Apples to oranges....humm....both D-1 programs....both BCS Conference members...both have to reach 6 wins to go to a bowl...both had Johnny Majors as their coach--wow, you're right, they are TOTALLY different.

LOL....and the losing, status quo attitude you possess will reep big rewards! Ding dong ding dong. :twitcy:

 

[khess83]

Randy said this in a chat right? Give the guy a break he is just responding to questions as they come in. If he missed the average attendance by 5k Big ******* Deal. Even if our average attendance is 43-45K that is pathetic. We get 6 or 7 games a year - get your ***** in the seats.

 

[cysocool]

Iowa picked the state clean of its fanbase thanks to the horrible Fry run. All those kids grew up idolizing the hauks. NOW, ISU fandom needs to start STANDING up for itself and quit taking the jazz from the media and ignorant Iowa fanbase punks who smear ISU every chance they get. STAND up against this crap or be assigned to the Missouri Valley or MAC. Giggles would love it!

Right On... :yes:

 

[Judoka]

You mean like Kansas, KSU, Bailer, and Colorado? They pack their "jacks" with season ticket holders too . . don't they!?

Why not compare apples to apples? OU (top ten program), Texas (go figure), OSU (billionaire cabbage plate), ATM (tradition), Iowa (going to win the National Champeenship every year), . . .

so . . does ISU currently fit in the former category (Kansas et al or the latter with Texas and OU)?

Iowa picked the state clean of its fanbase thanks to the horrible Fry run. All those kids grew up idolizing the hauks. NOW, ISU fandom needs to start STANDING up for itself and quit taking the jazz from the media and ignorant Iowa fanbase punks who smear ISU every chance they get. STAND up against this crap or be assigned to the Missouri Valley or MAC. Giggles would love it!

I'm not sure what post you wre responding to, but it definetely wasn't the one of mine that you quoted.

However, based on how upset you are about a totally understandable mistyping during a live chat, I suppose reading comprehension isn't a strong suite. I didn't compare ISU attendence to anything. Somebody asked what percentage of seats the AD would like to see with season ticketholders, and I replied "all of them". What is hard to understand about that? What was remotely "smearing" ISU about that?

 

[tazclone]

Apples to oranges....humm....both D-1 programs....both BCS Conference members...both have to reach 6 wins to go to a bowl...both had Johnny Majors as their coach--wow, you're right, they are TOTALLY different.

LOL....and the losing, status quo attitude you possess will reep big rewards! Ding dong ding dong. :twitcy:

One has a history if winning and has some tradition in football
One is the only game in a state with double the population
One is three years removed from a ten win season and the other has never had a ten win season
One is three years removed from a Division championship
One has four 10+ win seasons in the last decade the other has NEVER had a ten win season.

So yes it is apples and oranges.

If you wanted to make a fair comparison, it would be better to compare to Vanderbilt.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Even though this is page 8 and no one will read it, I'm going to throw it out there anyway. I see lots of people saying we have a small fanbase, and I just don't think I can agree with that. I did a little investigating, and I looked at the populations of roughly a 2-county radius around Story county, and I came up with this number:

931,360 (from 2009 US census estimates)

That's almost 1 million people living within a relatively short drive of Ames. Polk, Story, and Dallas counties combined are just shy of 600k. Now I know that not all of those people are Cyclone fans, but it's still a large pool of people to draw from.

So I would agree with those that say winning will bring more butts in the seats. The people are there, they just need a reason to buy tickets.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

I just exchanged emails with Randy.

His comment yesterday referred to a ticket BASE (AKA season tickets) in the mid-30's.

 

[CycloneErik]

I just exchanged emails with Randy.

His comment yesterday referred to a ticket BASE (AKA season tickets) in the mid-30's.

What would Randy know about what Randy said?

Just because it was right there the whole time..........

 

[Madclone1]

Randy said this in a chat right? Give the guy a break he is just responding to questions as they come in. If he missed the average attendance by 5k Big ******* Deal. Even if our average attendance is 43-45K that is pathetic. We get 6 or 7 games a year - get your ***** in the seats.

And "co dependency" is never healthy. Why is it you guys always want to give some media type a break "because he/she didn't mean it?" Ever listen to the guy when his is on KXNO . . he covers the Clones because he is ASSIGNED to cover the Clones. It is not his fault . . he is just a stuckee until next year.

 

[CycloneErik]

Even though this is page 8 and no one will read it, I'm going to throw it out there anyway. I see lots of people saying we have a small fanbase, and I just don't think I can agree with that. I did a little investigating, and I looked at the populations of roughly a 2-county radius around Story county, and I came up with this number:

931,360 (from 2009 US census estimates)

That's almost 1 million people living within a relatively short drive of Ames. Polk, Story, and Dallas counties combined are just shy of 600k. Now I know that not all of those people are Cyclone fans, but it's still a large pool of people to draw from.

So I would agree with those that say winning will bring more butts in the seats. The people are there, they just need a reason to buy tickets.

As far as a local population base, you've got a good point. To relate that to being a fanbase requires a look at how many of them are Cyclone fans.

I think the answer right now involves "more and more" of them, because I think the programs we have going will cure these problems. But to use your stat requires more context to make it fit.