Steve Prohm returns as head coach at Murray State

[DSM4Cy]

I appreciate this pro-ISU stance. I'm not hoping for Prohm to fail as retribution like you, but I love the passion and anger. ISU MBB is no doubt a big part of many here, and it's natural to be pissed at the guy that led it to 2-22.

If he fails and we can further add to the evidence that the 2-22 was because of how bad he was as a coach is, good.

I think you can be angry at what he did to our program, yet realize he put everything he had into the job and just wasn't the right fit. Hopefully he finds great success at Murray again. He loved being here, but unfortunately the situation he came into was one you almost couldn't win with. He took this on willingly, and I bet if he could choose to do it again, he wouldn't. Following Fred at ISU and trying to adapt who you are to fit someone else's style and roster was never going to work. Steve wasn't fired for this though, he was fired because once he finally made it as much of "his program" as he could here, it was an epic failure, and he deserved to lose his job. Yet, he's still a former ISU coach who won big games here with great players.

 

[Stormin]

I think you can be angry at what he did to our program, yet realize he put everything he had into the job and just wasn't the right fit. Hopefully he finds great success at Murray again. He loved being here, but unfortunately the situation he came into was one you almost couldn't win with. He took this on willingly, and I bet if he could choose to do it again, he wouldn't. Following Fred at ISU and trying to adapt who you are to fit someone else's style and roster was never going to work. Steve wasn't fired for this though, he was fired because once he finally made it as much of "his program" as he could here, it was an epic failure, and he deserved to lose his job. Yet, he's still a former ISU coach who won big games here with great players.

Your attempt to make it seem like Prohm did not inherit a great situation is a complete failure.

I do not hate Prohm. Do not really care how he does at Murray State. But I suppose the next spin given will be how lucky TJ was to have inherited a dumpster fire of a program because you are at the complete bottom and can hardly go lower.

What is Steve Prohm’s Coaching Style? I really do not know what his style is.

 

[CyLyte2]

Imagine being this petty.
That because he wasn't successful as coach of your favorite team, you believe he deserves to fail everywhere else as well. Unless Steve Prohm personally dedicated every single loss to you, or was leaving flaming bags of dog poop on your front step, get a life.

People do the same with McDermott.

 

[CyLyte2]

I think you can be angry at what he did to our program, yet realize he put everything he had into the job and just wasn't the right fit. Hopefully he finds great success at Murray again. He loved being here, but unfortunately the situation he came into was one you almost couldn't win with. He took this on willingly, and I bet if he could choose to do it again, he wouldn't. Following Fred at ISU and trying to adapt who you are to fit someone else's style and roster was never going to work. Steve wasn't fired for this though, he was fired because once he finally made it as much of "his program" as he could here, it was an epic failure, and he deserved to lose his job. Yet, he's still a former ISU coach who won big games here with great players.

Steve was here for a big check. That’s why he sucked.

 

[davegilbertson]

Your attempt to make it seem like Prohm did not inherit a great situation is a complete failure.

I do not hate Prohm. Do not really care how he does at Murray State. But I suppose the next spin given will be how lucky TJ was to have inherited a dumpster fire of a program because you are at the complete bottom and can hardly go lower.

What is Steve Prohm’s Coaching Style? I really do not know what his style is.

I would contend, that Steve's "style" may have been a very nice compliment for the end of Hoiberg's era, but was far from being enough to establish a new identity once those players departed.

He let his guys play fast, he was fairly loose with trying to "tinker" with the offensive system from what I could tell. For better or worse, very few DI coached would've had the humility? To let the upperclassman stars essentially player/coach. He trusted Niang, Morris and gang enough to let them run.

And one of the few positives I felt he brought was challenging some of the borderline guys. I think this went well with Nader, helping him max out his potential and not as well with McKay/Lard. Regardless of the outcome of those situations, I think his desire to be firm(er than Fred at least) was in the best interest of all his players.

I forget what year it was that he unveiled the cups? Swag and attitude? May have been the beginning of the end for me.

That said. I can't dog the guy, cuz he seemed like he tried to bleed Cardinal and Gold best he could and as far as I could tell did right by his guys and fought for them as athletes as well as young men and wish him nothing but the best.

 

[Cyforce]

Call me a skeptic but he highly benefitted from having two NBA point guards at Murray State his first go around. One was an experienced carryover from the previous coach who stayed two more years. The other was drafted #14 after two years. There was no gap.
In that league, such players are quite rare and a big reason for the success. Is he finding those guys again? And, jumping up a league, he's going to need pieces around them even if he is fortunate enough to land them. He's also entering a league as a geographical outsider, so recruiting will add some wrinkles too.
I wish him the best and hope he succeeds bc he does it the right way and wants to develop more than just ball players. I can see where he's going to have to grow as a coach though to find new successes given the challenges cited above.

He's shown he can develop PG and no reason to think this won't continue. Big difference is the other positions he recruits will look better in the Valley.

 

[Cyforce]

Steve was here for a big check. That’s why he sucked.

If that were true he wouldn't of benched his big men.

 

[Stormin]

I would contend, that Steve's "style" may have been a very nice compliment for the end of Hoiberg's era, but was far from being enough to establish a new identity once those players departed.

He let his guys play fast, he was fairly loose with trying to "tinker" with the offensive system from what I could tell. For better or worse, very few DI coached would've had the humility? To let the upperclassman stars essentially player/coach. He trusted Niang, Morris and gang enough to let them run.

And one of the few positives I felt he brought was challenging some of the borderline guys. I think this went well with Nader, helping him max out his potential and not as well with McKay/Lard. Regardless of the outcome of those situations, I think his desire to be firm(er than Fred at least) was in the best interest of all his players.

I forget what year it was that he unveiled the cups? Swag and attitude? May have been the beginning of the end for me.

That said. I can't dog the guy, cuz he seemed like he tried to bleed Cardinal and Gold best he could and as far as I could tell did right by his guys and fought for them as athletes as well as young men and wish him nothing but the best.

Steve Prohm is a good guy. No argument. No one should wish bad for him. Prohm is a class guy. He just ended up being a bad coach for Iowa State. Good luck.

 

[Mr Janny]

Steve Prohm is a good guy. No argument. No one should wish bad for him. Prohm is a class guy. He just ended up being a bad coach for Iowa State. Good luck.

Exactly this. We all hoped it would work. It just didn't. Doesn't mean he didn't try hard. Doesn't mean he's a d-bag. Doesn't mean he deserved another year either. It was time to move on from him and we did. We're better for it, and hopefully he will be too.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Those of you so angry at Prohm should be just as angry at Pollard for inexplicably giving him an extension. I could understand giving Pollard the benefit of the doubt on the hire, but there was no good reason for the extension. Red flags were everywhere and Pollard rushed the extension after the season was over in 2019.

 

[dafarmer]

Imagine being this petty.
That because he wasn't successful as coach of your favorite team, you believe he deserves to fail everywhere else as well. Unless Steve Prohm personally dedicated every single loss to you, or was leaving flaming bags of dog poop on your front step, get a life.

I am not petty, I really don’t GAF if he fails. All I know is that he took a relevant team in the NCAA and drove it into the ground. He was a terrible coach.

 

[Nelcyn]

How much is he going to make? any contract terms out?

 

[8bitnes]

How much is he going to make? any contract terms out?

Will make more per win next year than 50% of Americans make for the year. Possibly double.

 

[dafarmer]

Prohm in the BIG XII was as overmatched as a one-legged man in an ### kicking contest.

 

[NoCreativity]

I'll say it... I hope he fails. Bad coach whose only success was contingent on elite talent that he mostly inherited. He doesn't deserve a HC job at the D1 level. Had it not been for the amazing coaching job by TJ and the effort of the guys this year we could have been looking at several years of rebuilding to a respectable program from where Prohm left us as the worst team in P5.

But apparently he's a good guy though, and that excuses him for getting paid millions of dollars to ruin our basketball program.

That's a bit harsh. I thought the guy was in way over his head at Iowa State and I'm glad to see him gone but I don't wish any ill will upon him. I'm more indifferent just like I am about Hoiberg now.

I suppose since he'll be in Des Moines once a year now I might go watch them. I probably would have anyways just because it's Murray State regardless of who the coach is.

 

[DSM4Cy]

Your attempt to make it seem like Prohm did not inherit a great situation is a complete failure.

I do not hate Prohm. Do not really care how he does at Murray State. But I suppose the next spin given will be how lucky TJ was to have inherited a dumpster fire of a program because you are at the complete bottom and can hardly go lower.

What is Steve Prohm’s Coaching Style? I really do not know what his style is.

As a new coach, you have more patience from your fanbase when things are awful. Coming in when expectations are high and you’re taking over for one of the most beloved figures in program history is high-stakes. I’m glad Steve is no longer our coach as I think he was a bad fit from the start, but I don’t think a large percentage of Cyclone fans were going to ever give him a chance because he was never going to measure up to Fred. Someone had to take over the program and it happened to be Steve. I think anyone in his position would have failed in the eyes of many, and I include TJ in that if he’d gotten the job back then.

 

[DSM4Cy]

Steve was here for a big check. That’s why he sucked.

Ooh I do not agree at all. Of course you want the big check, but pretty sure Steve wanted to win and be here a long time. Have you seen how much he’s aged in these last few years? That’s not a guy who’s just on the golf course all the time.

 

[JP4CY]

Steve was here for a big check. That’s why he sucked.

I've sat at a table and had dinner with Steve (and a few others). I don't think money was his top life priority.

 

[Cyclones125]

Those of you so angry at Prohm should be just as angry at Pollard for inexplicably giving him an extension. I could understand giving Pollard the benefit of the doubt on the hire, but there was no good reason for the extension. Red flags were everywhere and Pollard rushed the extension after the season was over in 2019.

It seems most coaches get an extension every few years so they can give recruits assurance they’ll be there, I think Prohm had less than 4 years left at the time. Coming off a B12 tourney title and Bama opening gave Prohm and his agent bargaining power at the perfect time. I didn’t like the extension at the time either but I also didn’t think Prohm deserved to be fired yet. Really left Pollard with no choice and hard to blame him when he’s hit home runs with recent coaching hires otherwise (word is he wanted Otz over Prohm initially anyways)

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I'll say it... I hope he fails. Bad coach whose only success was contingent on elite talent that he mostly inherited.

You go from that, to this........

Coming off a B12 tourney title and Bama opening gave Prohm and his agent bargaining power at the perfect time. I didn’t like the extension at the time either but I also didn’t think Prohm deserved to be fired.

You do understand that B12 title you say gave his agent bargaining power, and convinced you he didn't deserve to be fired was void of any inherited talent?