TCU postgame thread

Cyched

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Was seeing if there was any new info on Montgomery's injury.

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When TCU got a first down inside the 20 with a minute + remaining, ISU still had 3 timeouts remaining. It was obvious they would run the ball inside the hashes, consume those timeouts, and, failing a TD, would kick that chip shot FG for the win. CMC, wise beyond his years, did what any seasoned college football coach would do. He left his best unit on the field with the hope they might come up with yet another turnover, or that the TCU kicker would choke.

At 8:59 pm on the Official game day thready, mtowncyclone13 summarized the moment with the comment "Ball game". This was no ordinary opponent. Gary Patterson would not allow this win slip away. But the score was tied, and over a minute remaining. Was there no other option that to just follow the cultural imperative?

What if, in that moment, CMC had elected to instead just let TCU score the touchdown? In that scenario, ISU gets the ball back with a minute on the clock and 3 timeouts remaining. In hockey, the tactic is referred to as *"pull the goalie", a concept with no cultural equivalent in American football. The offense sputtered throughout the evening, but their only true drive occurred in the 4Q. What if they had been handed this one last shot at redemption?


* This is also a contemporary reference to Malcolm Gladwell's 12 Rules for Life, which is episode 7, season 3 of of his podcast series Revisionist History. When you have 45 minutes, it is worth a listen.

Don't get your analogy to pulling the goalie in hockey. That move is done when you are down 1 or 2 goals and figure the improved chance of scoring with 6 skaters is greater than the risk of being scored on into an empty net. Don't get your logic at all. Sorry. But with our offense sputtering in the 4th quarter, allowing them a TD with a minute or so left would have been suicide, I think. That would have meant playing for a tie in regulation time, so why not try to get a fumble or missed field goal to get the tie. Much better odds.
 
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I'm not sure why Patterson ran plays at all once they got into the red zone as the game was winding down. Figured he'd just center the ball, take a couple knees, and kick the FG as time expired. Why risk a fumble?
 
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I get what you are saying but I think 1986 was the last time ISU ran a successful draw play lol
I was thinking about something along the lines of the drive at the end of the 2nd Qtr of the '09 Insight bowl. Intercepted the ball. 1st and 10 on our 11 yard line with 1:15 left in the half. Everyone thought we would just take a knee and run out the clock. Started out with a QB draw. That touchdown we got at the end of that drive and the half is what gave us the victory.

Pretty sure TCU's DC had visions of that 54 yard pass to 18 at the end of the 2nd Qtr that set up the field goal in last years OU game. Draw play just might have gotten big yardage.
 
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I'm not sure why Patterson ran plays at all once they got into the red zone as the game was winding down. Figured he'd just center the ball, take a couple knees, and kick the FG as time expired. Why risk a fumble?

Keep the ball on the ground and create a bit more space to use up clock is my guess. And possibly try to punch it in to get up 6-7.

WE think that's a huge risk because ISU can't pull off something so simple without having a meltdown. :)
 

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Im still trying to figure out why we didn't at least throw a hail merry type pass to Butler with like 25 seconds left just to try and see if he could go up and get it. Instead we dumped it to a guy for a like a 5 yard gain. Just throw the thing up and see if he can get it. So many WTF plays on offense in this game. Love Campbell but he needs to get an offensive coordinator next season or he will be in the same boat at CPR. Start off on fire, then fade and be fired for hiring bad assistants.
 

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Im still trying to figure out why we didn't at least throw a hail merry type pass to Butler with like 25 seconds left just to try and see if he could go up and get it. Instead we dumped it to a guy for a like a 5 yard gain. Just throw the thing up and see if he can get it. So many WTF plays on offense in this game. Love Campbell but he needs to get an offensive coordinator next season or he will be in the same boat at CPR. Start off on fire, then fade and be fired for hiring bad assistants.
We had similar results with Manning in the latter half of last year.

I don’t think an OC fixes it. We need the staff to have confidence in the QB like they did Park, or hope the OL develops into an upper level group very soon.
 

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TCU's defense is good, but Noland missed on several throws. I thought the offensive line actually did fine, they gave Noland ample time to go through progressions and make the right reads. I didn't see Noland do any of that. But, to be fair Kempt doesn't do that either.

Makes you wonder if the coaching staff is instructing them to get the ball out as quickly as possible and just trust the first read, or if it's just a lack of talent at the position. My guess is probably a combination of both.
 

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Im still trying to figure out why we didn't at least throw a hail merry type pass to Butler with like 25 seconds left just to try and see if he could go up and get it. Instead we dumped it to a guy for a like a 5 yard gain. Just throw the thing up and see if he can get it. So many WTF plays on offense in this game. Love Campbell but he needs to get an offensive coordinator next season or he will be in the same boat at CPR. Start off on fire, then fade and be fired for hiring bad assistants.

In contrast, sometime in the 1st half, ISU did the opposite- go yard to Butler on 3rd and 5 or whatever it was, and there was someone open in the middle for a pitch and catch 1st down.
 
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I doubt the offensive players are having fun. Winning is fun. Scoring is fun. Actually using the plays practiced all week/Fall in the game is both rewarding and fun. Seems CMC shrinks the playbook during the game too much. Gotta believe there are more plays than run up the middle and passing to the flats in the playbook. The middle has been open for the past 2.5 seasons. DM proved that in the first series against Iowa. I've seen passing to the TE straight up the middle in practice.

Ditch the RPO until you have a QB that will actually run the ball. I get the point of practicing RPO so if your back-ups get into the game you can call it. But make RPO plays part of their practice reps. I thought this coaching staff was good at utilizing a player's strengths. RPO is not a Noland or Kempt strength.

Back to the fun since it is a game after all ... Johnny Orr wanted to play an entertaining style of basketball. The defense is going to keep them in every game. I understand the strategy of winning the time of possession and no turnovers but be entertaining on offense by scoring. The same plays are easy to scout regardless of who is executing them.
 
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I doubt the offensive players are having fun. Winning is fun. Scoring is fun. Actually using the plays practiced all week/Fall in the game is both rewarding and fun. Seems CMC shrinks the playbook during the game too much. Gotta believe there are more plays than run up the middle and passing to the flats in the playbook. The middle has been open for the past 2.5 seasons. DM proved that in the first series against Iowa. I've seen passing to the TE straight up the middle in practice.

Ditch the RPO until you have a QB that will actually run the ball. I get the point of practicing RPO so if your back-ups get into the game you can call it. But make RPO plays part of their practice reps. I thought this coaching staff was good at utilizing a player's strengths. RPO is not a Noland or Kempt strength.

Back to the fun since it is a game after all ... Johnny Orr wanted to play an entertaining style of basketball. The defense is going to keep them in every game. I understand the strategy of winning the time of possession and no turnovers but be entertaining on offense by scoring. The same plays are easy to scout regardless of who is executing them.

I have no idea why we run the RPO either? Noland isn't going to keep it, and he shouldn't probably keep it either when there is nobody with any experience behind him.
 

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