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BBHMagic

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For the life of me I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. We all new that Mangino was a one quarterback guy and sticks with him through thick and thin. Mangino was also granted complete control of the offense when he arrived at Iowa State. Sure Rhoads could start him, but Lanning (seemingly) can't run the Mangino style of offense. So either Mangino makes whole sale changes to his offense or we do it without Mangino. After weeks of trying to get Mangino to adjust we realized it was time to do it without him.
 
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For the life of me I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. We all new that Mangino was a one quarterback guy and sticks with him through thick and thin. Mangino was also granted complete control of the offense when he arrived at Iowa State. Sure Rhoads could start him, but Lanning (seemingly) can't run the Mangino style of offense. So either Mangino makes whole sale changes to his offense or we do it without Mangino. After weeks of trying to get Mangino to adjust we realized it was time to do it without him.
Makes tons of sense.
 

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I think the offense has been bothering Rhoads for several weeks if not more. He didn't let Mangino go on some quick rash decision. Rhoads is pretty methodical, almost to a fault. He doesn't make rash decisions. He's had this in the back of his mind probably for the last month, and last Monday morning decided he couldn't wait any longer if Mangino wasn't going to change.

This is a very tough decision for a head coach to make. You aren't going to be able to hire good coordinators if you get the reputation as a guy that fires them the first time they make a mistake.

Rhoads is a defensive minded coach. He decided last year to hire a "big name" coordinator in Mangino and basically hand him full control of the offense with the understanding that he probably knew a lot more about running an offense than he did.

But when he could see it wasn't working, he had to consider making this change. But this decision came after weeks of consideration. You don't want your head coach making quick thoughtless decisions out of just emotion. That is not a good leader. It took a lot of guts for him to finally do this in fact.

OMG clonedude with a rational thought process instead of just omg, omg, omg why oh why haven't we fired Rhoads. I'm pretty damn sure this is exactly how this went down since the Iowa game.

Can't believethe amount of entitlement our fans have now. Give our Coach just a little bit of respect, he loves this university more than any of us, he has way more invested into winning than any of us. He just fired our OC mid season which is reletively unheard of. We just beat a team that should be better than us. Keep bringing up 8-24, because ISU is well-known for much greater than that. BTW when you complain about the attendance go back and look what it was prior to his arrival.

I'm changing my mind don't give CPR any respect, I think I would speak for the majority of Cyclone fans. Please just go be a fan of another school.
 

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Why did it take so long to make this move to Lanning? Why has it taken so long to blow up the quick screens to the outside? I feel like the fans have been begging for this for a while and nothing has been done about it till this long? It's frustrating thinking how different things could possibly be right now if the coaches didn't have to learn on the job. A lot of fans saw it. Why didn't the coaches?

The only thing that counts is that even Paul noticed that in the Baylor game when Lanning went in to replace Sam the entire team got energized - defense too. Paul mentioned that in his interview afterwards. That shows me that there was discontent on the entire team that Joel wasn't being given a chance even when Sam was obviously struggling. I wish I knew someone on the team to find out how long this has been simmering but I don't. Reading between the lines tells me that Rhoads & Mangino had been arguing about this issue for awhile and most of the team sided with Rhoads and against the guy calling all of the offensive shots. (as was promised when he took the job) Hopefully what we saw last night was what we will get the rest of our season.
If so then I am content to give him one more year to right the ship. And I really like the JUCO TE who committed after the game (6'5" 255).
 
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I suspect the coaches in general were not ready to go away from Sam to put in Lanning, simply because they did not know if Lanning was ready to play. Lanning did throw a lot of pretty bad passes last night, so it isn't like he is Aaron Rogers back there. The question I had was why it took 3-4 weeks to figure out that Warren was the stud RB?

Lanning did throw some really poor passes last night, most of them into the ground short of the WR. When they first happened my initial thought was.... "ouch, this guy can't throw any better than Sam". But then I thought about it a bit more and came to the realization that maybe he threw those into the ground somewhat on purpose?

I know, it sounds crazy, but I think there is some truth to it. Many of these bad passes were thrown off his back foot while trying to avoid a sack from a rushing DL in his face. I think Joel is a gamer, and for one, he didn't want to take the sack and the loss of yardage, and two, knowing that nobody was really open he didn't want to just float something out there that could be picked off either. So he basically ditched the ball several yards short of the WR into the ground.

The thing with those passes is, yes they look ugly, but then when you pause a minute you realize.... "ok, at least we didn't lose 8 yards on the sack, and we also didn't turn it over either. Learn to live another down.".

IMO, Sam too many times would go into the fetal position when pressured and take the sack, which put us in an almost impossible position to convert a 1st down, OR he would throw it up off his back foot just hoping one of our guys would come down with it and it would get intercepted... and of course that was the worst thing to do.

Lanning at least kept the ball in our possession and was able to move the chains. That is SO important. And the other thing I noticed about Lanning's passes, the ones where he wasn't under a lot of pressure that is, he put the ball right where it needed to be and also on time as well. He would hit guys right on the hands and also right in stride too. With Sam, the ball took longer to get there, but also our WR's would have to reach down to get it or jump up really high to bring it down, or reach back to get it, or have to dive forward to reach it. That is just a killer. Anytime you don't hit those WR's on their hands in stride, the play is nearly dead with the speed of these DB's these days.

With all this being said, I'm still predicting we're going to bet beat pretty soundly this Saturday. OU will probably cover that 24 point spread, and then all the naysayers will be back on here next Sunday saying I told you so. I hope that doesn't happen because that's the last thing we need right now. Texas was a nice break for our defense from having to defend the high octane spread offenses we've been facing and will face in the future. OU is 100% a different animal than Texas. They will likely score quite a bit on us, but that doesn't mean that we aren't headed in the right direction IMO. We should all be able to tell, even if we lose pretty badly, how we looked doing it this Saturday. Did we eliminate turnovers? Were we able to run the ball fairly effectively? Did we make any really stupid play calls that cost us big time?

You can tell a completely dysfunctional team from one that is playing good fundamental efficient football, but is just outclassed talent wise.
 

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Joel still has some things that need to be tweaked, he made a few sloppy throws last night. The really positive thing was that even when he didn't make the throw, his throw was at least to the right guy. All in all he played great considering it was his first start and that Texas/Strong bring a lot of pressure, he didn't look like a guy in his first start.

Could you imagine Sam under the heat they brought last night?
 

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What I was wondering...it seems like SR ran a lot more last year, and was pretty effective at it, and that was one of Lanning's strengths last night.

Was SR kept from running, and why, and why does it seem like Lanning has the green light to head down field when the play's not there?

Otherwise the plan to not only run first, but also head downhill on pass plays seemed like a new direction.

Sam hasn't been very durable. I believe Mangino, and possibly Rhoads as well instructed him to run less. Problem being, that's a big part of Sam's game. I thuink the reason Lanning will run a ton is because he's a semi truck compared to Sam's volkswagon frame.
 

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I'm really excited about Lanning, but it feels like the same excitement I had about Sam, Grant, Barnett, Jantz

I hope there's not a thread in two weeks asking for Sam (or Grant or Tiller) back when we realize why Sam had been the guy
 

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Lanning was not perfect last night. In fact he had some really bad throws. The difference is the he made big plays when his team really needed him to make them. The bad throws were not picks and they were not typically on 3rd or 4th down. I was very impressed. If he continues to learn, he could be really good.

Sturdy also did a great job. The offense didn't change significantly, but he called a good game that put our team in a position to win. I don't recall very many times where I questioned a play call.

This is very different from previous weeks.

Oh, I also want to say how solid our offensive line has been as of late. They dominated texas most of the game. For all the criticism they took the last two years, they have really turned into a strength.
 

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In light of what appears to be fairly easy to put together in terms of Mangino's issues, I actually feel a bit better about the season. It's still been a disappointment to not have 4 or 5 wins by now. But there is some vindication for the fanbase that the offense should have been better, and the OC appears to have been at the root of the problem.

With that said, we still need to see more from Sturdy/Lanning and the offense to fully accept the sentiment of "bad mangino" as truth. A couple clunker outings the next 2 weeks and we'll find ourselves with a lot of the same questions. Time will tell if it was the right decision, or a whole lot more of the same. We're not out of the woods yet!
 

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I'm really excited about Lanning, but it feels like the same excitement I had about Sam, Grant, Barnett, Jantz

I hope there's not a thread in two weeks asking for Sam (or Grant or Tiller) back when we realize why Sam had been the guy
I'll paddle with you in that boat.
 

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In light of what appears to be fairly easy to put together in terms of Mangino's issues, I actually feel a bit better about the season. It's still been a disappointment to not have 4 or 5 wins by now. But there is some vindication for the fanbase that the offense should have been better, and the OC appears to have been at the root of the problem.

With that said, we still need to see more from Sturdy/Lanning and the offense to fully accept the sentiment of "bad mangino" as truth. A couple clunker outings the next 2 weeks and we'll find ourselves with a lot of the same questions. Time will tell if it was the right decision, or a whole lot more of the same. We're not out of the woods yet!

Hard part is that we play arguably the best two defenses in the conference the next two weeks.
 

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Why did it take so long to make this move to Lanning? Why has it taken so long to blow up the quick screens to the outside? I feel like the fans have been begging for this for a while and nothing has been done about it till this long? It's frustrating thinking how different things could possibly be right now if the coaches didn't have to learn on the job. A lot of fans saw it. Why didn't the coaches?

Mangino and his "total control of the offense or I hit the road." Hit the road Jack.
 

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It's not easy to bench a 5th year senior QB to a sophomore rookie. It seems obvious now but it sounds like Lanning wasn't exactly lighting it up over Sam in practice.


Problem is some players can practice great and plays lousy in games and vice versa.
 

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I'm really excited about Lanning, but it feels like the same excitement I had about Sam, Grant, Barnett, Jantz

I hope there's not a thread in two weeks asking for Sam (or Grant or Tiller) back when we realize why Sam had been the guy

Seems different to me because it feels like we have a completely different offensive strategy. Also seems like we have a legit Big 12 back who can break a big play in the backfield with a physical running QB. It's a very different look, at least for 6 quarters.
 

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Here's a timeline of CF and ISU football the last two years.

CF: "We need a big name offensive coordinator! We want Mangino!"

Rhoads hires Mangino.

CF: "Rhoads needs to just hand Mangino the keys and not meddle in the offense! Stop rotating quarterbacks in and out!"

Rhoads announces he's handing the keys to Mangino and won't meddle in the offense.

Rhoads (or by the looks of it, Mangino) sticks with one quarterback.

CF: "This offense isn't working! Start Lanning!"

Rhoads fires offensive coordinator Mangino and starts Lanning.

CF: "OMG, we all saw this too long ago, why didn't Rhoads do anything about it sooner?!"
 

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Here's a timeline of CF and ISU football the last two years.

CF: "We need a big name offensive coordinator! We want Mangino!"

Rhoads hires Mangino.

CF: "Rhoads needs to just hand Mangino the keys and not meddle in the offense! Stop rotating quarterbacks in and out!"

Rhoads announces he's handing the keys to Mangino and won't meddle in the offense.

Rhoads (or by the looks of it, Mangino) sticks with one quarterback.

CF: "This offense isn't working! Start Lanning!"

Rhoads fires offensive coordinator Mangino and starts Lanning.

CF: "OMG, we all saw this too long ago, why didn't Rhoads do anything about it sooner?!"

Mobile thumbs up and rep.
 

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The only thing that counts is that even Paul noticed that in the Baylor game when Lanning went in to replace Sam the entire team got energized - defense too. Paul mentioned that in his interview afterwards. That shows me that there was discontent on the entire team that Joel wasn't being given a chance even when Sam was obviously struggling. I wish I knew someone on the team to find out how long this has been simmering but I don't. Reading between the lines tells me that Rhoads & Mangino had been arguing about this issue for awhile and most of the team sided with Rhoads and against the guy calling all of the offensive shots. (as was promised when he took the job) Hopefully what we saw last night was what we will get the rest of our season.
If so then I am content to give him one more year to right the ship. And I really like the JUCO TE who committed after the game (6'5" 255).

If it's the case, though, then we need to find a way to keep Rhoads away from hiring OCs. It's apparently something he's not very good at.
 

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Why did it take so long to make this move to Lanning? Why has it taken so long to blow up the quick screens to the outside? I feel like the fans have been begging for this for a while and nothing has been done about it till this long? It's frustrating thinking how different things could possibly be right now if the coaches didn't have to learn on the job. A lot of fans saw it. Why didn't the coaches?

I don't know if you watched the game or not, but we still threw wide receiver screens. While Lanning played well and was an upgrade from how Richardson has performed lately, he didn't hold Texas to 0 points. We still only scored 24. If we won every game that Richardson's offenses put up at least 24 points, he would have a lot of wins under his belt too. Richardson has had better games than the one Lanning just played and we still lost because the defense couldn't stop anybody.

Having said that, Lanning's toughness really seemed to rub off on everyone on the team. Lets hope it stays that way. I think Richardson also had a toughness to him when he first started here, but with all his nagging injury problems he started avoiding hits and was probably coached to avoid big hits. With Sam as a backup now, I'm sure the coaches feel more comfortable letting Lanning run the ball more knowing the backup wont be a big drop-off.