What does McKay need to do..

[cyclonebillski]

Boris Diaw plays better defense and I would say more athletic than Georges. I just can't see Georges making the NBA unless he gets much more explosive, which I don't see happening. He has really struggled to get his shot off this year and in the NBA he would get swatted a lot. McKay may make a roster based solely on effort and length. I don't see his body being able to add much weight at all. Too rail thin but I could see him being a situational guy down the road. Monte will get a shot. He has two more yrs also to develop his shot and get bigger if he chooses

 

[ArgentCy]

McKay certainly has a lot to work on before going with thoughts of the NBA. He has to develop a post game, turn around j's, hook shots, Niang's ability to just make everything. He also is not a very good defender yet. Roam's the middle looking for blocks to much and leaves his guy too early, that's actually good in Fred's defense if his guy can't shoot but he needs to know when to do that.

In other news, his brother was no longer on Indian Hills last night. Said he got in trouble or something. He was a pretty good guard but only ~6' 4". They also lost the 7' Manyang who was a top 5 JUCO that I think had signed with OU. I'm not real impressed with the coach that took over for Peery, lots of loafing and undisciplined play.

 

[WastedTalent]

They also lost the 7" Manyang who was a top 5 JUCO that I think had signed with OU. I'm not real impressed with the coach that took over for Peery, lots of loafing and undisciplined play.

What do you mean they lost him?

 

[Wesley]

McKay certainly has a lot to work on before going with thoughts of the NBA. He has to develop a post game, turn around j's, hook shots, Niang's ability to just make everything. He also is not a very good defender yet. Roam's the middle looking for blocks to much and leaves his guy too early, that's actually good in Fred's defense if his guy can't shoot but he needs to know when to do that.

In other news, his brother was no longer on Indian Hills last night. Said he got in trouble or something. He was a pretty good guard but only ~6' 4". They also lost the 7" Manyang who was a top 5 JUCO that I think had signed with OU. I'm not real impressed with the coach that took over for Peery, lots of loafing and undisciplined play.

7 inches? Manyang? WTF? What do you mean?

 

[jtdoyle1]

7 inches? Manyang? WTF? What do you mean?

7" Manyang sounds like euphemism for something.

 

[ArgentCy]

Seven feet of course, he didn't bother to show up to classes according to some. Full ride to OU and can't even show up?

 

[kucyclone]

And I'm saying it will happen, but georges can help an NBA team. Think Boris Diaw. They are the exact se listed height and similar bodies/athleticism.

Boris Diaw is far more athletic than you're giving him credit for. One of my favorite NBA stories:

 

[heitclone]

McKay's only position he's physically built to play in the NBA is SF, same goes for Georges. Both are great players and will play pro ball the next decade or so somewhere but both are tweeners playing out of position.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Nothing. He has to do nothing to make the NBA. He, georges and monte will be the first time isu will have three underclass men drafted in the same draft this offseason

What about Diallo

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I don't think McKay is NBA ready by any means or will be 100% by the end of next year, but lets not pretend that that is a big factor in the NBA draft. Nobody in the NBA cares about NBA readiness anywhere near as much as they care about length, wingspan, skill, and potential.

McKay is the anti Niang. He has a little skill, has potential to be able to handle it, but is extremely raw. However, all of that is put on a ridiculously athletic 6'9 body with a 7'4 wingspan.

Anthony Davis is 6'10 with a 7'5.5 wingspan for comparison.

 

[CyJack13]

McKay needs to add a lot more to his offensive game to have a shot at getting drafted. He's a skinny 6'9" and isn't going to be able guard most NBA fives. If you have to play him with another big any way, he needs to be able to add more than just dunks and put backs on the offensive end.

Also the comparisons to Faried are pretty lazy. McKay is a good rebounder, Faried was an insane rebounder. He ranked in the top 10 in the nation in offensive and defensive rebounding percentage all four years in college, and led the nation in both categories as a senior. That's crazy even for someone playing in the OVC.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

McKay needs to add a lot more to his offensive game to have a shot at getting drafted. He's a skinny 6'9" and isn't going to be able guard most NBA fives. If you have to play him with another big any way, he needs to be able to add more than just dunks and put backs on the offensive end.

Also the comparisons to Faried are pretty lazy. McKay is a good rebounder, Faried was an insane rebounder. He ranked in the top 10 in the nation in offensive and defensive rebounding percentage all four years in college, and led the nation in both categories as a senior. That's crazy even for someone playing in the OVC.

It's not hard to see that McKay will get drafted just on his size and length. Needing to add weight is like the least important thing in the entire world when it comes to getting drafted in the NBA. Anyone can gain weight. Especially with world class nutritionists and training.

Look at Noah Vonleh.

6'8 without shoes. 7'4.5 wingspan.

McKay is probably 6'8-6'9 without shoes, 7'4 wingspan.

Vonleh was 247 pounds at the draft combine and was listed at 240 by Indiana.

McKay is listed at 215, which is obviously low. But look at Vonleh's weight just two years before and he is listed at 222. He put on 25 pounds in two years and at most grew a half inch. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/


Now compare their stats per 40 minutes and you get:

McKay 17.8 points/10 rebounds/1.1 assists/4 blocks
Vonleh 17.0 points/13.6 rebounds/.9 assists/2.1 blocks

McKay is shooting 60.8% from the field
Vonleh shot 52.3% from the field

Vonleh did make a 3 every other game or so but was not as good of a shot blocker as McKay is. And this is all with McKay playing almost exclusively in the Big 12 without playing in the soft part of the non conference schedule.

And Vonleh went 5th overall.


So my point is that even if Vonleh is better than McKay, you can at least compare him to the #5 overall pick. That tells me that he has a pretty damn good shot to get drafted.

 

[cyclonebillski]

7" Manyang sounds like euphemism for something.

Good band name.

 

[CyJack13]

It's not hard to see that McKay will get drafted just on his size and length. Needing to add weight is like the least important thing in the entire world when it comes to getting drafted in the NBA. Anyone can gain weight. Especially with world class nutritionists and training.

Look at Noah Vonleh.

6'8 without shoes. 7'4.5 wingspan.

McKay is probably 6'8-6'9 without shoes, 7'4 wingspan.

Vonleh was 247 pounds at the draft combine and was listed at 240 by Indiana.

McKay is listed at 215, which is obviously low. But look at Vonleh's weight just two years before and he is listed at 222. He put on 25 pounds in two years and at most grew a half inch. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/


Now compare their stats per 40 minutes and you get:

McKay 17.8 points/10 rebounds/1.1 assists/4 blocks
Vonleh 17.0 points/13.6 rebounds/.9 assists/2.1 blocks

Vonleh did make a 3 every other game or so but was not as good of a shot blocker as McKay is. And this is all with McKay playing almost exclusively in the Big 12 without playing in the soft part of the non conference schedule.

And Vonleh went 5th overall.


So my point is that even if Vonleh is better than McKay, you can at least compare him to the #5 overall pick. That tells me that he has a pretty damn good shot to get drafted.

Vonleh was 18 when he was drafted. Was 12th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage and shot 48% from 3. Not a good comparison.

 

[bawbie]

It's not hard to see that McKay will get drafted just on his size and length. Needing to add weight is like the least important thing in the entire world when it comes to getting drafted in the NBA. Anyone can gain weight. Especially with world class nutritionists and training.

Look at Noah Vonleh.

6'8 without shoes. 7'4.5 wingspan.

McKay is probably 6'8-6'9 without shoes, 7'4 wingspan.

Vonleh was 247 pounds at the draft combine and was listed at 240 by Indiana.

McKay is listed at 215, which is obviously low. But look at Vonleh's weight just two years before and he is listed at 222. He put on 25 pounds in two years and at most grew a half inch. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/


Now compare their stats per 40 minutes and you get:

McKay 17.8 points/10 rebounds/1.1 assists/4 blocks
Vonleh 17.0 points/13.6 rebounds/.9 assists/2.1 blocks

McKay is shooting 60.8% from the field
Vonleh shot 52.3% from the field

Vonleh did make a 3 every other game or so but was not as good of a shot blocker as McKay is. And this is all with McKay playing almost exclusively in the Big 12 without playing in the soft part of the non conference schedule.

And Vonleh went 5th overall.


So my point is that even if Vonleh is better than McKay, you can at least compare him to the #5 overall pick. That tells me that he has a pretty damn good shot to get drafted.

The problem with that comp is mckays age.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Vonleh was 18 when he was drafted. Was 12th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage and shot 48% from 3. Not a good comparison.

Come on man. I gave plenty of great comparisons.

And he made 16 3s all year. Not nearly a large enough sample size.

And when it comes to defensive rebounding percentage you don't have to be a genius to understand that McKay is hurt by his role in the system as the guy who is supposed to sprint down the court to the opponents basket.

McKay absolutely has the potential to be a dominant rebounder. He did that in his JUCO if I remember right. He led the nation in rebounding.

Vonleh's team wasn't nearly as good as Iowa State's was and, again, all of McKay's stats are against D1 opponents minus 1 game.

Vonleh had the whole non conference last year to pad his stats.

Age is important but McKay isn't 25. He's 22.

Not to mention McKay is twice as dominant as a shotblocker.

 

[ISU42]

The problem with that comp is mckays age.

You mean teams don't want to draft guys that will be 24 year old rookies?

 

[HFCS]

The problem with that comp is mckays age.

Mckay is playing his first games at D1 level against a top 10 schedule and dominating. Guys built like him who instantly dominate d1 ball get a look. Monte will have a very good chance when the time comes as well.

When I tell the board how much more fun to watch nba is than college I'm outnumbered 1000 to 1, but in threads about who is going to get a shot at the league, 98% of the board are suddenly huge nba enthusiasts.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

You mean teams don't want to draft guys that will be 24 year old rookies?

Vonleh was 18 when he was drafted. Was 12th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage and shot 48% from 3. Not a good comparison.

The problem with that comp is mckays age.

On the whole age thing, that's probably going to keep McKay from going top 10 like Vonleh. But he sure as hell will be getting drafted.

And who's to say that next year McKay doesn't just explode and show a lot of skill and a little bit of a jumpshot? Usually guys who are McKay's age don't go pro earlier because they don't have the athleticism or the skill, McKay had to go through JUCO and a transfer.

I used the Vonleh comparison to show that he measures up fairly closely with a top 5 pick, and even with some of his weaknesses he will get drafted.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Mckay is playing his first games at D1 level against a top 10 schedule and dominating. Guys built like him who instantly dominate d1 ball get a look. Monte will have a very good chance when the time comes as well.

When I tell the board how much more fun to watch nba is than college I'm outnumbered 1000 to 1, but in threads about who is going to get a shot at the league, 98% of the board are suddenly huge nba enthusiasts.

I'm personally a bit guilty of this but it's more due to the insanely long schedule that I can't get into the NBA regular season. I love the playoffs though.

It's hard to watch mostly NCAA basketball and then watch the NBA and understand what's going on. It isn't "bad defense" that many see, it's just players who are so good they can't be defended. And there is so much space on the floor that guys end up looking lazy and those highlights end up shaping opinions.