Why so angry this year

[dirtyninety]

And they had an immovable, elbow throwing mass of flesh under the basket that we Did Not counter.

Small correction...in my opinion. I too think it is legit to question why in the first freaking 3 minutes or 4 possessions or whatever you could tell we were totally unprepared to address their #1 team asset and do anything about it other than hero ball chunk shots and letting him get dink lay-ups on the other end.
Jacobson and some others looked tired....is that what "good" practices do? Not going after baby fat early and often to get fouls was so obvious.....why didn't we? Maybe we were and I know there were the times too where the referees were just a mess and not calling the touch fouls on wigg or THT that they were certainly calling on the other end in anticipation.
If not Ohio State, we would have been embarrassed by Houston or Kentucky anyway. It just sucks that it was that particular cheating semi-pro program.

 

[jsb]

I agree. So many people at a national level claimed we had the most talented roster in the Big 12, but so often this season we failed to play up to that, especially in February. Even early in the season we talked about how frustrating this team was to watch because they were so inconsistent. If this team plays consistently at all, like they did in the Big 12 tournament, this team wins the conference easily. And yet so often this year we didn't. I mean, could we really argue with the tournament analysis that said that this was a team that could go to the Final Four just as easily as it could lose in the first round by 10?

You're right that, at least for me, it's more frustration than anger, and that 2015 was anger. That UAB game was easily the worst game we played that year, and I don't buy the excuse that it was the first game of the tournament. That shouldn't bother good teams, and yet ISU absolutely laid an egg that year. And then it was compounded with the kick in the nuts that Hoiberg left to coach the Bulls shortly after, so it begs the question if he and the rest of the team were even ready to play that game.

I guess my greater frustration is I'm tired of demanding respect for this team, first locally, then nationally, and then so often go on to demonstrate they're not worthy of the respect that we so often demand for them.

I think this team gets respect nationally.

We played like a top 25 team this year. That’s what we were.

 

[acody]

Message boards are a cess pool and being a fan was much more fun when they weren't around. But it's not like I can blame anyone for being on them since I think they are awful and here I am.

Agree that message boards are a cesspool and at the same time are also somewhat addictive. I liked it better when there was some mystery or speculation about the team, players and coaches. Now everything is out on social media. There seems to be two factions of message board posters. Those that have an opinion about the team, players and coaches after a loss and another faction who is overly bitter that someone actually has the audacity to criticize anything Iowa State. The in-fighting is sometimes very amusing but when it resorts to name calling, I think people need to chill out and place following the team in the proper perspective of life's more important things. A sporting event is inherently a zero sum game because there is a winner and a loser, but as a fan, if you vicariously take a loss personally and become angry and bitter, then you may need to get some counseling.

 

[acody]

Message boards are a cess pool and being a fan was much more fun when they weren't around. But it's not like I can blame anyone for being on them since I think they are awful and here I am.

Agree that message boards are a cesspool and at the same time are also somewhat addictive. I liked it better when there was some mystery or speculation about the team, players and coaches. Now everything is out on social media. There seems to be two factions of message board posters. Those that have an opinion about the team, players and coaches after a loss and another faction who is overly bitter that someone actually has the audacity to criticize anything Iowa State. The in-fighting is sometimes very amusing but when it resorts to name calling, I think people need to chill out and place following the team in the proper perspective of life's more important things. A sporting event is inherently a zero sum game because there is a winner and a loser, but as a fan, if you vicariously take a loss personally and become angry and bitter, then you may need to get some counseling.

 

[FinalFourCy]

The tournament is a crap shoot.

Making a judgment off an arbitrary result from one data point is insanity. And we clearly have a lot of insane “fans” on this board.

We should remember that too, when brining up KC as something to whitewash a month long data point that suggests the coaching was a crapshoot.

 

[fsanford]

Its a message board if people take time to post probably means they have fairly strong emotional ties to the team.

Me I was over it within 30 minutes. Fun season, and unlike many other years at ISU we fans can look forward to football again

 

[Cycl1]

And they had an immovable, elbow throwing mass of flesh under the basket that we couldn't counter.

You mean that we did nothing to try to counter. We played him straight up man to man. The only coaching decision we made was to sit Jacobson, and even I called that one after he got abused for the 2nd trip down the floor in a row. Someone who hasn't been involved in organized basketball since 8th grade made the same and only call as the coach paid millions. Even an Ohio State fan on Reddit was calling out our coach for changing litterally nothing in how we approached defending their best player. Ohio State shot 25 percent from 3, and we never tried doubling as soon as he got the ball. Instead of making them beat us out of their comfort zone (they are ranked 182 in 3pt percentage), we did nothing.

 

[jsb]

We should remember that too, when brining up KC as something to whitewash a month long data point that suggests the coaching was a crapshoot.

That has to go both ways. You’ve had posts saying last week was “good, but...”. So you also need posts saying yesterday was “bad, but...”.

 

[jsb]

You mean that we did nothing to try to counter. We played him straight up man to man. The only coaching decision we made was to sit Jacobson, and even I called that one after he got abused for the 2nd trip down the floor in a row. Someone who hasn't been involved in organized basketball since 8th grade made the same and only call as the coach paid millions. Even an Ohio State fan on Reddit was calling out our coach for changing litterally nothing in how we approached defending their best player. Ohio State shot 25 percent from 3, and we never tried doubling as soon as he got the ball. Instead of making them beat us out of their comfort zone (they are ranked 182 in 3pt percentage), we did nothing.

I’m sure there are changes that could have been made. But none of us are smart enough to know if they would work. There are reasons he did what he did. Were they right? I have no idea and neither do you.

The day a coach makes a change to placate fans is the day they’ve failed.

 

[GTO]

I'm not mad at the players. At all.

This is where my anger is directed right now:

1. Iowa for winning and getting further than us
2. Refs for running a train on us last night
3. Prohm's coaching (or lack thereof) last night
4. Kaleb Wesson's style of UFC basketball
5. Jinxers who should know better
6. March Madness for getting me all excited and then delivering such a letdown
7. Big12 Basketball Tournament for making me think we were good again
8. James Naismith for inventing this game that hurts so bad today
9. Jim Jackson for being such a Phuckeye homer
10. My wife for filling up my weekend schedule now that she knows I don't have basketball to watch

In that order.

 

[Cycl1]

I’m sure there are changes that could have been made. But none of us are smart enough to know if they would work. There are reasons he did what he did. Were they right? I have no idea and neither do you.

The day a coach makes a change to placate fans is the day they’ve failed.

I agree I don't know of they would have worked, but I will say that we know that making zero changes didn't work. Their big man scored 21, had 5 offensive rebounds, and only 1 turnover. I've seen coaches fail while trying new things trying to get something to work, we failed while doing nothing to try and fix it. I'm sorry, but in a one and done tournament you don't get to try again tomorrow. He did nothing and expected a different result? That's just silly.

 

[flycy]

Disappointing season overall, but not angry. Very talented group who finished 9-9 in the conference after a 7-3 start. Last night was a disappointing loss to not a very good team. Underachieving season as a whole during a peak year. Hopefully we are a tourney team next year. Will be interesting to see who we get to come back.

What makes you say this was a peek year? Don't see that at all myself. We were very weak inside without Solo. Jacobson is a unique player, great against finesse big men but gets killed against the likes of Wesson. Lard hasn't figured things in life out yet, hopefully he will both on and off the court. Conditt probably should have been used more, but was undersized and weak for his position coming in. Really humorous to read the posts about playing two bigs, yeah then what do you do when they all foul out. Babb is a serviceable guard, but not great, Hali had the best freshman season since Monte but hit a big freshman wall for a good part of the season, THT is great or awful, needs to learn to play in control, Wigginton underperformed but still showed his talent late and improved his overall game. Shayok was great and will be greatly missed. There may have been talent, but too much of it was extremely raw and inconsistent.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Message boards are a cess pool and being a fan was much more fun when they weren't around. But it's not like I can blame anyone for being on them since I think they are awful and here I am.

But my main question is why is there so much anger this year? The absolute hatred towards the team and the coaches is sickening. We were picked to finish 6th. We finished 5th. Like plenty of good teams we lost in the first round of the tournament. It happens.

Social media - beginning and end. EVERYONE gets smarter, tougher, and more confrontational when there is absolutely NOTHING at stake and they have nothing to answer for.

 

[isucy86]

This is a generalization about most fan bases, but too many fans take losses personally. There is also the tendency to look for someone to blame. This isn't just in sports.

IMO the level of frustration is high because this team is talented and when we play well, that talent seems to ooze. The problem this team can also look bad when jump shots aren't falling and the flaws are magnified.

I laugh at people who characterize Ohio State as a bad team. They are very limited offensively, but very good on defense. The reality is there is VERY LITTLE difference between teams seeded #5 and #12 in the NCAA tournament. Typically who wins comes down to match-up and who brings their A/B game.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

I'm disappointed in how it ended, but I rather have a big 12 tournament championship and a first round exit than no hardware and a round of 32 exit. I'm hoping we return most of our players and this loss just makes them hungrier for next year. I think with maturity they will be more consistent. With such a young team off nights will be likely.

 

[FinalFourCy]

That has to go both ways. You’ve had posts saying last week was “good, but...”. So you also need posts saying yesterday was “bad, but...”.

Yesterday was bad, but the season is over?
Yesterday was bad, but the last month suggests we’ve had ample time to see it coming?

No, it doesn’t always go both ways. If you’re thinking it does, you’re being too emotional and misconstruing the criticism. Yesterday is the “but” in the statements of “good, but”. You are one of a few posters that are so emotional and continually in meltdown mode over what they read, that you don’t read the “bad, but” posts.

Which is likely why your ilk complain about toxicity, but are the more toxic posters. I view it as misguided passion and generally enjoy seeing the anger over criticism, but perhaps this isn’t the place for you all.

 

[Jdk]

Trust the process

 

[Die4Cy]

I'm in agreement on the anger thing. A lot of people on here are just straight up angry. And it's more than just basketball. Happened in football too. Not sure what the cure to this is because big picture, we have a TON of things going in the right direction in this athletic department. And it starts and ends with the people we have in charge. I, for one, am grateful for who we have leading the AD and the major sports. They aren't perfect and at times deserve criticism, but some of the stuff on here is more than a bit overboard in my opinion.

My biggest pet peeve has always been adults who can't control themselves. What you are talking about is not exclusive to what you read CF. It's a cultural epidemic.

I missed the first half last night because I had spent the entire afternoon and evening in the e.r. trying to find out if my teenage son had a brain bleed.

Forgive me if I take a hissy fit response to a lost basketball game as a character flaw in people who repeatedly exhibit a lack of proportionate response to things that just don't ******* matter in any real sense.

That's all I'm going to say about it.

 

[Cycl1]

I'm disappointed in how it ended, but I rather have a big 12 tournament championship and a first round exit than no hardware and a round of 32 exit. I'm hoping we return most of our players and this loss just makes them hungrier for next year. I think with maturity they will be more consistent. With such a young team off nights will be likely.

Personally I would rate the prominence:
National championship
Final 4
Regular season Conference title
Elite 8
Sweet 16
conference Tournament title
32
Make the NCAA

 

[casey1973]

My only criticism of CSP would be what Pride touched on earlier. There were some obvious bad calls last night and other games for that matter. He should have let the refs have it, technical or not to let the players know he has there back. The game is about having that first shot go in, emotion, momentum. It wasn't our night. We played hard. We were the better team.