ESPN, Fox Open Discussions for Next Big 12 Deal

[JUKEBOX]

Here's how I would see it:

Oklahoma, Texas -> SEC
Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado -> Big 12
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal -> B1G

Fox happy because it didn't bid on Pac-12 and can get brands added to B1G + B12. B1G doesn't look like an "aggressor."

ESPN overpays to get Oklahoma and Texas early.

Big 12 gets a solid deal and becomes 3rd conference in pay behind B1G & SEC.

Washington State and Oregon State probably are the losers here, but pretty much everyone else gets what they're looking for.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Could also be the Big12 removed a disadvantage. Seems to me it makes Pac12 & Big12 in equal position from a contract logistics perspective.

Both can negotiate separately with their current media partners and get firm #'s. If the Big12 feels it can get substantially more from ESPN/Fox great. But it may need to be significant to get Pac12 schools to jump.

IMO Fox & ESPN would value a combination of some Big12 & Pac12 schools the most.

I also think Fox values itself as being a West Coast based sports network and desired having Pac12 games.

LOL. They don’t give two ***** about anything other than “shareholder value” aka making money.

 

[Klubber]

I was hoping for PlutoTV.

What would be great about that would be you'd never see the same ad in a loop like 3 times in a row during a commercial break.

There was one cruise line ad on Pluto that they showed literally non-stop.

 

[isucy86]

The PAC 12 lost their two premier programs, and the two premier programs of what is left don't want to be there either without unequal revenue sharing. That's far from equal footing. They are in survival mode, while the Big 12 is in expansion mode.

Your right if the Big10 or SEC add Pac12 teams in the next year.

But if Oregon & Washington prefer to remain Pac12 and be big fish in small pond. The Pac12 could put up a strong argument to hold together, leveraging CFB Playoff $ when it expands to 12 or 16 teams. Each Power conference will get hundreds of millions of discretionary money to reward their top football programs.

 

[Klubber]

Conzano spinning this as a defensive move by the Big12 to protect against a raid by the PAC10.
His daily realignment fiction piece for your enjoyment.

Canzano: ESPN and FOX have to love the Big 12 vs. Pac-12 drama

Big 12 opens "discussions" with media partners.

www.johncanzano.com

The fact that he's even talking about a "raid" by the PAC is so comical.

 

[AuH2O]

The best sign in all of this is Fox seemingly interested. They know ESPN is going to be paying up to get OU and UT an early exit. This is a good sign of relative value of the Big 12 vs PAC.

 

[AuH2O]

But what about San Diego state?!?!?!?!

 

[cycloneworld]

Here's how I would see it:

Oklahoma, Texas -> SEC
Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado -> Big 12
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal -> B1G

Fox happy because it didn't bid on Pac-12 and can get brands added to B1G + B12. B1G doesn't look like an "aggressor."

ESPN overpays to get Oklahoma and Texas early.

Big 12 gets a solid deal and becomes 3rd conference in pay behind B1G & SEC.

Washington State and Oregon State probably are the losers here, but pretty much everyone else gets what they're looking for.

Based on what we know right now, this makes the most sense of any scenario.

But when has college football realignment ever made sense??

 

[Klubber]

What continues to suck in all of this is the "what could've been"

The original Big 12 was a really good football conference. Stacked.

But the kids couldn't play nice.

Yeah. But do you really miss schools like Mizzou, Nebby, A&M? I really don't.

And if we get the Buffs back in the fold, you'd have 5 of the old Big 8 reunited, which would be cool...

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I know I sound like the get your skateboard off my sidewalk old guy, but can we merge this with the main realignment thread?

 

[Boxerdaddy]

So hear me out...everyone thinks this is the deathstroke for the P12, but the P12 is already dead. The networks need a way to blow up the ACC, and this may be their play. Get the B12 involved, have us send out some invites in order to have enough teams wanting out that they can dissolve the ACC. Some go B1G, some go SEC, others to B12. In exchange we get a bump in pay, the leftovers now have to get a new contract for their rights which would be even lower than what ESPN had before.

Fox gets the ACC teams it wants for the B1G
ESPN gets the ACC teams it wants for the SEC
B12 gets the ACC teams it wants and a reworked deal, keeping them "competitive"

P12 dies on the vine, some teams spreading to the B1G and B12. Remaining teams get much lower deal for their rights, saving the networks more $.

 

[alenz95]

Conzano spinning this as a defensive move by the Big12 to protect against a raid by the PAC10.
His daily realignment fiction piece for your enjoyment.

Canzano: ESPN and FOX have to love the Big 12 vs. Pac-12 drama

Big 12 opens "discussions" with media partners.

www.johncanzano.com

Canzano in a few weeks: Here's why schools leaving the Pac-12 for the Big-12 is a win for the Pac-12

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I also think this means feelers to CBS/NBC have been met with 'Thanks but no thanks'. Which makes sense, it was hard to see CBS expanding beyond what they already had football-wise and NBC really doesn't have a window with their Notre Dame and, now, Big Ten commitments.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Your right if the Big10 or SEC add Pac12 teams in the next year.

But if Oregon & Washington prefer to remain Pac12 and be big fish in small pond. The Pac12 could put up a strong argument to hold together, leveraging CFB Playoff $ when it expands to 12 or 16 teams. Each Power conference will get hundreds of millions of discretionary money to reward their top football programs.

How would you feel as a member of the other 8 programs about signing a deal with Oregon and Washington if they have a foot out the door already?

 

[Klubber]

I also think this means feelers to CBS/NBC have been met with 'Thanks but no thanks'. Which makes sense, it was hard to see CBS expanding beyond what they already had football-wise and NBC really doesn't have a window with their Notre Dame and, now, Big Ten commitments.

I don't see that at all. How does NBC or CBS not have any window left for more college football content?

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

This is horrible news. I thought we were going to NetFlix and Amazon Prime and that OTA/Cable TV was dead and streaming was the future. We are going down a dinosaur path.

Stew Manzell is that you?

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I don't see that at all. How does NBC or CBS not have any window left for more college football content?

Notre Dame isn't moving off 1:30 CT so you'd be looking at 10:00 AM CT kicks. That pretty much takes care of NBC.

CBS has 4 Mountain West games plus 15-16 Big Ten games. When you factor in their other commitments I don't see a consistent window available from them either.

Maybe somebody will get creative but I think the Big 12s best bet is that FOX becomes their majority football partner.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

To be fair, Bowlsby tried to start these conversations last year and the Networks told him no.

I mean it's Bowlsby...

 

[MugNight]

https://247sports.com/college/texas...mpact-Texas-Oklahoma-departure-SEC-192343044/

Article says early exit payout for each would be $170MM. Thats $340MM total. For 10 schools, $34MM each. I’ve got to believe conceding that type of money comes with ample funding from ESPN to make up for it.

 

[VeloClone]

I know I sound like the get your skateboard off my sidewalk old guy, but can we merge this with the main realignment thread?

It is useful to have this in a separate thread. Some people won't know about it if they don't regularly dive into the giant realignment thread. This gets the news out for those who only check in periodically.