*** Official Selection Sunday Thread ***

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I totally agree. All this talk about "manipulating the NET ranking" doesn't help either.

Seth Greenberg and Jay Williams on ESPN bring this up constantly and always use it as a way to slight the Big XII. But those guys are hugely biased towards the ACC.

Not a huge Bilas fan, he's fine. But he went off on the non-con metric last night with regards to Pitt not getting in. And while Pitt wouldn't be my example, I think he was spot on otherwise.

Weird that a couple of ACC guys are bad mouthing Iowa State and the Big 12 when in reality the bottom half of that conference is garbage. There are way too many data points over the last 5-7 years showing that the Big 12 is consistently the premier basketball conference. If the show was on the other foot they would 100% be defending the ACC and their weak OOC schedule because these teams are challenged night in night out. JFC 10-15 years ago the B1G and ACC benefited form this like crazy.

 

[HFCS]

Weird that a couple of ACC guys are bad mouthing Iowa State and the Big 12 when in reality the bottom half of that conference is garbage. There are way too many data points over the last 5-7 years showing that the Big 12 is consistently the premier basketball conference. If the show was on the other foot they would 100% be defending the ACC and their weak OOC schedule because these teams are challenged night in night out. JFC 10-15 years ago the B1G and ACC benefited form this like crazy.

1/3 of their conference is going to be Big 12 soon and it could include some of the better basketball programs. So bash at your own risk ACC fans and you can be the next Utah coming in to get your skull crushed.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I have no idea if this has been said and don’t have time to read through responses. But from my perspective the average person doesn’t understand the process of selection for this tournament. Here is how I think it may happen:

1. The “committee” doesn’t sit in a room and make brackets based on the best teams 1-68. Instead a computer simulator puts together multiple scenarios/brackets.
2. The committee then decides which ones are plausible, or sellable. They have so many metrics because it gives them wiggle room to move teams around within a few spots.
3. The committee then goes to the networks for the highest money making bracket they will pay for.
4. They do the same with hosting site cities.
5. Committee then puts it all together to make the most money that is also plausible.

It’s about money not screwing Iowa State. Just so happens that this was the best for their tournament money. Don’t know if this is true or not. Just my simple take.

No computer algorithm using metrics/data would have put ISU in the East as the last two seed. LOL every single advanced analytic has us as either the last 1 or top 2. This was 100% committee bias and chicken sh!t opinions.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

But Illinois would have 4-5 days to prep for it.

So what, no practice squad is simulating what we do.

 

[sunset]

I don't have issues with the #2 seed (too much). What I found interesting was the committee's justifying the lowest #2 by saying that they looked at the entire season and that late games were treated the same as preseason games and penalized iowa State for a weak preseason schedule. Did not penalize UNC, Houston. Purdue for their tournament losses but did not credit Iowa State for its win.

But on the women's side the spokesman on talking about Texas talked about their and Iowa's tournament championships even though neither won their regular season championship. So on the women's side two #1:seeds finished second in regular season but won the tournament. But on the men's side three #1 seeds lost on their tournaments.

Where is the consistancy with how the men and women made their selections?

The consistency is that the “name” teams benefit. Always.

 

[1TwistedCyclone]

"We play favorites. And we don't care if it's heavy handed and obvious." -The Selection Committee

"Let's just play some f***ing basketball." -TJ and the Boys

 

[BeTheCyclone]

No computer algorithm using metrics/data would have put ISU in the East as the last two seed. LOL every single advanced analytic has us as either the last 1 or top 2. This was 100% committee bias and chicken sh!t opinions.

That is exactly my point. It wouldn't put Iowa State as 8th overall on just one scenario. But if they had multiple scenarios from algorithms that could be considered plausible based on enough advanced metrics that could be used to make Iowa State 8th (non conference sos bs) they could pick the most profitable.

 

[CascadeClone]

The "Tournament is not going to be played at Home, so we take a look at your road record" is also a stupid one. It is not a true Road game either. It is a neutral site game.

Not in ****ing Boston it isn't.

Or Auburn Hills, et al.

 

[Nelcyn]

So what, no practice squad is simulating what we do.

Only if they use 7 or 8 defenders.

 

[HFCS]

Not in ****ing Boston it isn't.

Or Auburn Hills, et al.

If the court is blue it won't be as weird as the forest green court in Michigan. They use blue all the time, can't remember last time I saw a dark green NCAA court.

 

[CascadeClone]

Selection committees exist to make sure the tv networks get what they want, they are the real clients.

What!?!

Next you'll be telling me the CFP is set up to favor the big brand names...

 

[simply1]

I have no idea if this has been said and don’t have time to read through responses. But from my perspective the average person doesn’t understand the process of selection for this tournament. Here is how I think it may happen:

1. The “committee” doesn’t sit in a room and make brackets based on the best teams 1-68. Instead a computer simulator puts together multiple scenarios/brackets.
2. The committee then decides which ones are plausible, or sellable. They have so many metrics because it gives them wiggle room to move teams around within a few spots.
3. The committee then goes to the networks for the highest money making bracket they will pay for.
4. They do the same with hosting site cities.
5. Committee then puts it all together to make the most money that is also plausible.

It’s about money not screwing Iowa State. Just so happens that this was the best for their tournament money. Don’t know if this is true or not. Just my simple take.

No time to read this either

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The consistency is that the “name” teams benefit. Always.

Which fine, I could have lived with UNC as the last 1 seed but what they did to Iowa State and Auburn is flat out intentional. Honestly, I don't know how they could have looked at the East region after it was completed and felt like anything they did was successful.

 

[CascadeClone]

The thing that frustrates me with this whole process of the committee remains me of the football playoff committee. There is no set structure of how they are going to come up with the teams, it changes every year. So this season non-conference schedule strength mattered more than conference tournament results and overall SOS. Next year this same committee will come out and be saying the opposite and talk about how this team moved up the seed line because of the way it finished out their season.

Set the criteria, tell everyone what it is and stick to it, stop looking at the name on the front of the jersey and start looking at how they actually played and who they played. Results matter, stop changing the criteria every year. This is just like the 13th data point.

That's exactly what they will NEVER do. The whole point of the flexible criteria is so they can pick whoever is the best brand/tv value, then use whatever talking point to justify it.

We shoulda never broke the BCS - at least that was mostly computers.

 

[Halincandenza]

If they value noncon so much who didn't Purdue get the #1 overall seed? Seems like they pushed that aside to put UCONN number 1. They also pushed aside UNC's easy conference schedule to give them a #1. I feel like the NET ranking quad **** has made seeding worse.

 

[helechopper]

Watch this. It’s from CBS…

 

[sj4]

Bill Self ahead of the curve as usual. KU had no penalty tonight.

Aaaaannd.... keep in mind that Marquette got beat by 16 points against Ucon in their tournament and are 2 seed. They lost three times to them this year. Once by 28 points. We beat our #1 by 29 and Marquette was still ahead of us.

 

[TheCampanile]

While watching our games in the conference tourney, I thought our physicality looked different somehow. I don't know if that's real or not, but I wonder if TJ has been coaching the team in preparation for different officiating in the NCAA tourney.

I was incredibly impressed with how good the defense was without being overly physical (read fouling).

 

[dahliaclone]

Two USAToday editors have ISU in the title game...one winning it all. I always loved that pub.

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[CycloneErik]

Two USAToday editors have ISU in the title game...one winning it all. I always loved that pub.

March Madness expert picks: Our bracket predictions for 2024 NCAA men's tournament

Need some help filling out your March Madness bracket? Our experts give their predictions for the Final Four and the NCAA team that will win it all.

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A dude named Erick has to be good. One of my favorite writers.