Pat Forde on Kansas' hoops recruiting (FBI-related)
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You start seeing $50,000 tickets, porn stars, poll dancers, money machines, fights, rape, vandalism, and now five level-one NCAA violations, and yes even the most fervent fans start to wonder what's going on in Ku basketball.It's starting to get to Huggie Bear/Frank Martin levels at KU...
KU just landed their first recruit for 2021. A four star top 35 player. I know people think this is something that is going to affect their recruiting, but it really won't. Look at Arizona, Louisville, etc. This stuff matters more to opposing fan bases than it does to players who don't like the NCAA to begin with.
This is spin at its best. In 2017 Nike's global sales were $34.25B. I couldn't find 2017 for Adidas but in 2018 Adidas did 21.92B Euros of global sales. That was $25.87B. Yes Adidas clearly is a little brother in athletic apparel sales and couldn't muster the funds to put their thumb on the scales monetarily. We should probably pass the hat for Adidas.
CW, can you make that happen?
This is true. Wilt Chamberlain was paid by KU boosters and no one can say with a straight face that the AD didn't know anything about it. He came to KU because they told him they would make it worth his while.
Wilt Chamberlain Says Boosters Paid Him to Play Basketball for Kansas in the 1950s
October 18, 1985|Associated Press
NEW YORK — Wilt Chamberlain says he was paid to play basketball at the University of Kansas in the 1950s, but the amount "would make it look like I was not worth very much" compared with the illicit payments to today's college athletes.
Noting allegations that Kenneth Davis was paid $38,000 to play football for Texas Christian University, Chamberlain said he got "one-tenth of that" at Kansas.
Chamberlain, in town Thursday to promote an advertising calendar for a cat-food maker, said the payment system was "much more sophisticated" than just giving an athlete cash.
"The boosters were delegated by a little group," he said. "They would say, 'OK, we will allow you, A, B and C, to go out and help to recruit Wilt Chamberlain, and you become like his godfather.'
"I had two or three godfathers. That way it wasn't sure where it was coming from. Everyone was assigned at least one godfather when I was at Kansas."
Chamberlain, who was recruited at Kansas in 1955, went on to become a two-time All-American in 1957 and 1958 and a Hall of Famer in professional basketball.
The amount of payments are relative, Chamberlain said, but the problem is that athletes are forced to take money improperly--"and illegally, as far as the IRS is concerned"--because the National Collegiate Athletic Assn. will not let colleges pay them above board.
"It's time to revamp the codes and be more honest," he said.
He said when he was at Kansas, in addition to money from boosters, he received $30 to $40 a month from the school for selling programs at football games.
$3,800 doesn't seem like a lot until you recognize that at about the same time Chamberlain was negotiating his "salary" while deciding to go to KU, your average NBA player was making only $8,000 a year so it wasn't chicken feed.
Bullcrap and the FBI too. KU AD has publicly stated Self has 'no knowledge'. So only the biggest suck-up sycophant KU supporter would believe Self, or Townsend had no knowledge.
And the beat goes on. Rival fans keep wishing that KU hoops is going to go in the toilet but KU will be just fine.
Read the documents. NCAA isn’t alleging self had knowledge.
That’s why they pull in adidas as booster.
Also depends on what you mean by knowledge. Are coaches across the country aware kids get money from agents and show companies? Yes. Are the actually aware of the details of who is paying who and getting what? I don’t think so.
Just fine is not winning 17 of the last 20 regular-season championships which were based on crooked recruiting starting with Larry Brown. That's the whole point of this discussion. Take out the boughten talent and this conference looks completely different. History proves that.
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They couldn't nail UNC because those classes were also offered to any student at UNC that wanted to take them. Now if you can show that KU was also paying non athletes money to attend the university under the table, you may have a case.
We seem to continue to be landing talented players even after the alleged Adidas pipeline has been shut down.
You can keep kidding yourself that the only reason elite players go to KU is because they are paid to but recent history has proven that this is not true. All the last two years has proven is that KU will keep getting elite recruits even without a shoe company pipeline. Enjoy McD's AA Bryce Thompson this season, he's going to be very good. Best fans, best venue, best facilities, routinely the best competition on the biggest stage. This investigation isn't knocking the KU hoops train off the track.
And "boughten"? WTF?
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A lot of discussion regarding the FBI and NCAA relating to crooked Kansas University and their players who were on the take, but where is the IRS? Were those shoe boxes full of cash declared by the players and their families? Wilt sure didn't pay taxes on his.
kcbob79clone
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Pipeline is still flowing and will continue to flow until the penalties, could be #AdidasMoney or somewhere else. To get to blue blood status took a lot of money and @KUHoops is not willing to relinquish (sorry for the big words for KU fans, it means to give up) that status easily. I have a source that says #AdidasMoney is only part of the story.
kcbob79clone
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Didn't know Adidas was incorporated in the 1950s, so who paid Wilt?????
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The rep rival fans have of the Kansas program is way past the toilet. It's been in the sewer for quite some time.
The two elite players KU has landed in the Classes of '20 and '21 are the son of a man who played for Self at Tulsa and a kid who plays at Sunrise Christian in Kansas.
But yeah, it's probably Adidas money...
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of sheep."
The opinions of Mizzou, K-State and Iowa State fans regarding Kansas are as biases as that of Kansas fans.
Since it was more than SIXTY years ago, I doubt anyone knows just as I doubt that anyone that was involved is even still alive.
Yet here we are, still blabbering about it as if it is even remotely relevant to the conversation.
