Is this years' team better than we thought?

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He’s not a guy you can give a straight handoff to on 3rd and 1, 2 or 3 or at the goal line and have confidence he can grind the yards without good blocking up front, which we know doesn’t always happen. So no, he’s not an RB1 imo. He’s the Toni pollard. We just need to figure out who our Zeke is. I think it would be better for Sama and the team’s ceiling if we could figure that out. Change of pace back is an important piece of an offense in today’s game.

Imagine getting Sama the swing pass in the 4th quarter of a slogger and he’s only had 10 touches up to that point.

I'd put Jacksin and Hansen as the sloggers now, Jackson maybe the 15-20 carries guy, especially on a single drive. He seems to do well with some time to get rhythm.

Jackson is slippery and Hansen a bull downhill.
 
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I know it's pretty early in the season, but that victory over the Hawks was massive man!

I may be drinking the Koolaide, but if we win against Houston on the road and then beat Baylor?

We may be in the discussion about title hopes and playoff discussion. Our schedule conference wise, is really favorable. Utah, maybe K-State huge roadblocks-- you could argue Baylor. It's attainable...
Houston will give one more measurement of how good this team is. Fritz is a very good coach who will has his guys amped to take down a ranked team. If we win handily there, that boosts my confidence a notch, but does not cause me to go full koolaid!
 

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If we have Sama, Jackson and Hansen sharing the load and our run game is effective I think that is a win. So much easier to absorb one of your backs missing time because he is dinged up when you have other backs getting just as many carries and also being effective. Would also like to see a misdirection with the tailback and give it to Klotz on occasion. An occasional fullback carry forces defenses to play honest at the line of scrimmage.
 

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Yes, he is. Breece had games where he didn't do much as well. We had one of the worst run blocking OLs in the country last year so none of that really matters. He's had 12 ATTs this year outside of the Iowa game and I do think Iowa is pretty good up front. I used to think he was close to Breece 2.0 and that may not be true but theres a lot of room between that and "not a #1."
If you’re comparing or thinking he’s Breece 2.0 then you’re going to be disappointed. Breece was an all time back and is probably the 2nd best running back in the world right now behind Christian McCaffrey.

It is insane to compare Abu to Breece.
 

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I was fishing in Minnesota last weekend and listened to KFAN out of Minneapolis. They are quickly losing their patience with him.

Minny/Fleck haven't had a really big win since 2019 when they beat #4 Penn State. Other than that all of their ranked wins are against fringe top 25 teams minus beating #14 Wisconsin back in 21. Kirk's resume isn't much better...
 

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Eh, not sure I'm missing it. I thought it was pretty easy before what you're saying played out. Now it's almost criminally easy. Definitely the greatest opportunity we've had that I can ever remember.
You built a strawman of ISU fans who said this schedule was tough. Most fans acknowledged that the schedule was easy. It was more difficult than some of the other contenders in the Big 12, but you aren't breaking any news saying it wasn't a tough schedule.
 

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You built a strawman of ISU fans who said this schedule was tough. Most fans acknowledged that the schedule was easy. It was more difficult than some of the other contenders in the Big 12, but you aren't breaking any news saying it wasn't a tough schedule.

This is the dream!!!!
 

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#13 Kansas State (9-2): Kansas State comes into Ames at night in a game to go to the Big 12 Championship. No snow in this one, but Iowa State wins in a high scoring back and forth shootout. Iowa State 40 - Kansas State 38

...what happens in the Big 12 Championship?

And then after that?

You had me riveted, don't stop the story there!
 

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I was fishing in Minnesota last weekend and listened to KFAN out of Minneapolis. They are quickly losing their patience with him.
Fleck is a terrible game coach. He can recruit though.
 

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If you’re comparing or thinking he’s Breece 2.0 then you’re going to be disappointed. Breece was an all time back and is probably the 2nd best running back in the world right now behind Christian McCaffrey.

It is insane to compare Abu to Breece.
Which is why I explicitly said he wasn't going to be that. I'm not sure, though, where this idea that Breece was some sort of yard grinding power back came from because that was never what made him great. He had adequate strength and ability when needed but that's not what he was...ever. He operated with very much the same style as Sama in that they want to elude and get to space. There's a reason the Jets went out and got Braelon Allen who is truly and one-cut downhill runner. The attributes of Breece and Sama are very much similar in that they are elusive and have home run capability with elite hands out of the backfield. That isn't to mean those attributes are equal in quality. That's to say they want to do the same things. Also, Breece operated with one of the best QBs in the NFL right now which is a distinct advantage, especially compared to what Sama was doing last year. The idea that he's somehow on the cusp of being replaced after 1 game against Iowa and 12 carries against poor teams is just ridiculous.
 
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Which is why I explicitly said he wasn't going to be that. I'm not sure, though, where this idea that Breece was some sort of yard grinding power back came from because that was never what made him great. He had adequate strength and ability when needed but that's not what he was...ever. He operated with very much the same style as Sama in that they want to elude and get to space. There's a reason the Jets went out and got Braelon Allen who is truly and one-cut downhill runner. The attributes of Breece and Sama are very much similar in that they are elusive and have home run capability with elite hands out of the backfield. That isn't to mean those attributes are equal in quality. That's to say they want to do the same things. Also, Breece operated with one of the best QBs in the NFL right now which is a distinct advantage, especially compared to what Sama was doing last year. The idea that he's somehow on the cusp of being replaced after 1 game against Iowa and 12 carries against poor teams is just ridiculous.

I think people forget Breece got alot of the same criticism that Sama is getting now. There were alot of times where you just wanted him to hit the hole and grind out that 3-4 gain where he danced around instead. But on the plays where you got him in open space, he was unstoppable. Agreed Sama isn't near the same level as Breece right now, but their styles are similar. You take the good with the bad and know you are never far from something explosive.
 

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Which is why I explicitly said he wasn't going to be that. I'm not sure, though, where this idea that Breece was some sort of yard grinding power back came from because that was never what made him great. He had adequate strength and ability when needed but that's not what he was...ever. He operated with very much the same style as Sama in that they want to elude and get to space. There's a reason the Jets went out and got Braelon Allen who is truly and one-cut downhill runner. The attributes of Breece and Sama are very much similar in that they are elusive and have home run capability with elite hands out of the backfield. That isn't to mean those attributes are equal in quality. That's to say they want to do the same things. Also, Breece operated with one of the best QBs in the NFL right now which is a distinct advantage, especially compared to what Sama was doing last year. The idea that he's somehow on the cusp of being replaced after 1 game against Iowa and 12 carries against poor teams is just ridiculous.
Breece has the power when he needs it but his real danger is the open field. He's smart enough to know he doesn't need to damage his body with a high hit count. He runs through arm tackles all the time though.
 
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Which is why I explicitly said he wasn't going to be that. I'm not sure, though, where this idea that Breece was some sort of yard grinding power back came from because that was never what made him great. He had adequate strength and ability when needed but that's not what he was...ever. He operated with very much the same style as Sama in that they want to elude and get to space. There's a reason the Jets went out and got Braelon Allen who is truly and one-cut downhill runner. The attributes of Breece and Sama are very much similar in that they are elusive and have home run capability with elite hands out of the backfield. That isn't to mean those attributes are equal in quality. That's to say they want to do the same things. Also, Breece operated with one of the best QBs in the NFL right now which is a distinct advantage, especially compared to what Sama was doing last year. The idea that he's somehow on the cusp of being replaced after 1 game against Iowa and 12 carries against poor teams is just ridiculous.
Has one person said that?
 

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The OL feels a lot better. The raw numbers don't really say so and Sama hasn't really broken out but we've also had a vanilla game, the Iowa game, and then he had 7 carries so sample size and quality is just okay. It's also possible our best line hasn't played yet.
I think under the hood the numbers are a lot more positive for the offensive line.

Game On Paper has a lot of great stats, but they have a couple of run game stats that I think are useful for OL play evaluation. They have "Stuff Rate," which is percentage of runs for zero or fewer yards, and "Offensive Line Yards," which uses a formula that basically gives the offensive line varying levels of credit for various lengths of runs. For example, the OL is given no extra credit once a running back gets beyond 10 yards, because it's assumed that OL helped get them to 10 yards, but probably didn't do much to turn it from a 10 yard run into a 50 yard run. It's not a perfect formula, but it's useful.

So far this season, Iowa State's run game has been stuffed in 11.6% of carries, vs. last season's first three games at 24% (and 25% for all of 2023). For offensive line yards, Iowa State is at 2 OL yards per carry this season, vs. 1.4 for last season's first three games (1.51 for all of 2023).

In terms of percentiles, the offensive stuff rate is in the 78th percentile so far this year vs. 1st percentile for all of last season, while offensive line yards are in the 74th percentile vs. 6th percentile for all of last season.

It seems like there's progress with the offensive line. It's just been that the running backs haven't really been able to turn the 2-4 yard runs into 7-15 yard runs much this season. Though they did a better job with that against Arkansas State.
 

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...what happens in the Big 12 Championship?

And then after that?

You had me riveted, don't stop the story there!
Big 12 Championship Game
REMATCH - #5 Utah (12-0):
Iowa State wins their first ever Big 12 title. Iowa State 23 - Utah 20
:)
Due to me having no clue what the playoff picture would look like, I will refrain from giving my predictions.
 

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Avery Johnson will throw 3 interceptions against our secondary. Not worried about that game at all
I'm not sure why everyone's so worried about WV either. They've not been impressive at all so far. Their QB is tiny (not typical P4 size) which makes finding throwing lanes really difficult. They look average at best to me in all phases.

After watching KState a couple of times so far, I agree with you on them too. I'm confident we'll beat them. Their D is really suspect IMO. And BYU really exposed that.
 

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Which is why I explicitly said he wasn't going to be that. I'm not sure, though, where this idea that Breece was some sort of yard grinding power back came from because that was never what made him great. He had adequate strength and ability when needed but that's not what he was...ever. He operated with very much the same style as Sama in that they want to elude and get to space. There's a reason the Jets went out and got Braelon Allen who is truly and one-cut downhill runner. The attributes of Breece and Sama are very much similar in that they are elusive and have home run capability with elite hands out of the backfield. That isn't to mean those attributes are equal in quality. That's to say they want to do the same things. Also, Breece operated with one of the best QBs in the NFL right now which is a distinct advantage, especially compared to what Sama was doing last year. The idea that he's somehow on the cusp of being replaced after 1 game against Iowa and 12 carries against poor teams is just ridiculous.
Not to worry, some fans will want Lee to start by mid-season.

And they might be right, I don't know. Lee has great potential.
 

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If we are somehow 5-0 going into the WVU game ….that is the game that will tell us if we are destined for new heights or same old same old.

WVU is the biggest key game of the season in that scenario. After that it is the best setup you could ask for….all home games and only 1 true road game left @utah and a neutral site game in Arrowhead vs KU that will pretty much be a pro ISU crowd.

That said let’s murder some Coogs this week.
It's a huge game to be sure, but we could lose that one and then win out. Each team is built a little different, and you just never know.
 
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