Boozer?

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I did some snooping around and I don't know for sure, but it seems like Boozer is going to be gone...

That's what the Register is saying too.

I'm kinda luke warm on the guy. It always looked liked he threw the ball up pretty quick and wasn't patient. Like his defensive intensity however.
 

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Why can't I have an opinion? What has McDermott done to gain my respect and trust in him?

So many are just blindly following him, that eventually you have to realize that I cannot think of a single coach who's highly regarded, that wasn't able to get their team to some kind of postseason in 3 years. We can make up excuses, but he had an All-Big 12 player on the team this past year.

Sometimes you just have to look what's going on, step back, and realize we have a coach who is in over his head at this level. If he went back to the MVC or some other mid-major, he'd do just fine...

Sometimes I wish people would know at least one fact before they speak. Coach K at Duke had 3 losing seasons before getting going in the 4th. Too bad he came from Army instead of a top major program. I would appreciate a listing of your playing and coaching experience so I can understand where your knowledge comes from.
 

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Sometimes I wish people would know at least one fact before they speak. Coach K at Duke had 3 losing seasons before getting going in the 4th. Too bad he came from Army instead of a top major program. I would appreciate a listing of your playing and coaching experience so I can understand where your knowledge comes from.

Mike Krzyzewski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coach K went to the NIT his first year at Duke. They had a winning record...

Afterwards they had two seasons of losing, then went to the NCAAs.

We haven't even been to the NIT yet...
 

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Sometimes I wish people would know at least one fact before they speak. Coach K at Duke had 3 losing seasons before getting going in the 4th. Too bad he came from Army instead of a top major program. I would appreciate a listing of your playing and coaching experience so I can understand where your knowledge comes from.

Mike Krzyzewski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coach K went to the NIT his first year at Duke. They had a winning record...

Afterwards they had two seasons of losing, then went to the NCAAs.

We haven't even been to the NIT yet...

Also, when Coach K got to Duke, he was 33 years old with only 5 years of Heading Coaching experience. He also wasn't getting paid almost $1 million a year right away.

McDermott took over when he was 42 and had 12 years of Heading Coaching experience when he took over at ISU...
 

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Sometimes I wish people would know at least one fact before they speak. Coach K at Duke had 3 losing seasons before getting going in the 4th. Too bad he came from Army instead of a top major program. I would appreciate a listing of your playing and coaching experience so I can understand where your knowledge comes from.

Michael Krzyzewski is better than Greg McDermott....Wow, who knew...?

A fun exercise to do (and one which I've done earlier) is to find a well respected coach of the past 10-15 years, and see how long it took them to go to at least the NIT. You will find that it takes about 3 years to build a program in basketball. You can find schools who had turmoil and/or no basketball tradition arrive within 3 years from having a good coach.

I do think we have a good shot at making the NCAAs this year, and I hope it builds into something wonderful.

What stinks is when you have potentially 5 guys leaving this year, even with all of the optimism and excitement the fans have about the upcoming season...
 

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I don't believe McD is better than Coach K but comments about mid major and going nowhere bug me a little. I also believe Duke had won a national title before and was a respected program with a few down years prior to Coach K.

I am still waiting to hear your playing and coaching experience from which you base most of your "expert" opinions.
 

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I don't believe McD is better than Coach K but comments about mid major and going nowhere bug me a little. I also believe Duke had won a national title before and was a respected program with a few down years prior to Coach K.

I am still waiting to hear your playing and coaching experience from which you base most of your "expert" opinions.

1992 was Duke's first National Championship. I didn't realize you didn't know this, as most fans do. But here's the link if you do not believe me: Duke Blue Devils men's basketball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, you say they were a respected program when Coach K took over. So was ISU with McDermott. We made the post season 2 of the previous 3 years that McDermott came here. (Thanks kingcy for the correction!)

This is the 2nd time I've pointed out things you've been wrong with. It seems like you're the one with Credibility issues. It's not a good idea to try to compare our current coach to arguably the best in the history of the sport.

You don't need to be a NCAA basketball player, or a coach to see if someone is doing their job or not. Pollard is McDermott's boss and has never coached a game, and didn't play college basketball. President Geoffry probably knows less about sports than Pollard and he's Pollard's boss.

So while you can try to rip on me because I'm not a coach and I'm not a player, realize that the big donors are neither, and neither are McDermott's bosses...
 
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Also, you say there were a respected program when Coach K took over. So was ISU with McDermott. We made the post season each of the previous 3 years that McDermott came here.

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It was 2 years not 3. The programs name was being drug through the mud in Morgans last year. His teams also underacheived.
 

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We started over from scratch when McDermott came here. Its going to take at least 3 years to build a respectable program from the bottom. I said from the beginning, I am giving him 4 years to turn this thing around. Next year is year 4.

We have the team to do a lot of damage next year. We need to see results. If none come, I will most likely be one of those people that thinks a change is needed. It takes time and patience to build the a program from where it was.
 
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We started over from scratch when McDermott came here. Its going to take at least 3 years to build a respectable program from the bottom. I said from the beginning, I am giving him 4 years to turn this thing around. Next year is year 4.

We have the team to do a lot of damage next year. We need to see results. If none come, I will most likely be one of those people that thinks a change is needed. It takes time and patience to build the a program from where it was and I'm not seeing a lot of it from some people on here.

See here's the thing. I used to back McDermott 100%. I looked back through some of my posts when I first joined and I was all Kool-Aid.

I agree this year we are in a position to be dangerous and I am looking forward to it.

What concerns me is how we will look if Brackins leaves next year, and Gillstrap is done. I know we are on the horizon of some big recruits for 2010 and 2011. We need to lock them up. With the attrition we've been having here, the future of this program is entirley on the 2009 and 2010 class. I just do not like having to put pressure on guys that are relativley young. I'd like to see some guys who sign here and do not end up going pro stay for 4 years... Even with some of these guys leaving not necessarily making the hugest impact, it just doesn't look to have 5 guys leave after year 3 in your program, regardless of circumstances. 1 or 2, sure, but 5 is a lot...

Nonetheless, it's a big year. I really think the team could use Boozer (others too, but since it's a Boozer thread), and I hope he does not leave. If he does, he'll have his reasons and I respect those.
 

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Mac started out with a salary of about $750k. A year later Iowa paid half a million more per year for their coach.
 

mplscyclone

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Its a sign of the times... not the program necessarily.


To some degree. Like I said, it's 1 thing if it's 1 or 2. It'd be another if 5 of your 12 guys leave in 1 year and none of them go pro or graduate. . Besides DG and Brackins, if Lucca and Boozer are gone, we'll have 3 new starters, and all of our bench guys being brand new or coming off of a redshirt.

I just can't think of any teams that have to redefine themselves every year (except for when they have some stud Freshman go pro)...
 

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To some degree. Like I said, it's 1 thing if it's 1 or 2. It'd be another if 5 of your 12 guys leave in 1 year and none of them go pro or graduate. . Besides DG and Brackins, if Lucca and Boozer are gone, we'll have 3 new starters, and all of our bench guys being brand new or coming off of a redshirt.

I just can't think of any teams that have to redefine themselves every year (except for when they have some stud Freshman go pro)...

You're forgetting Hamilton or JVB in counting starters. Between them they started nearly every conference game. If Lucca comes back, we'll have 4 returning starters.
 

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A fun exercise to do (and one which I've done earlier) is to find a well respected coach of the past 10-15 years, and see how long it took them to go to at least the NIT. You will find that it takes about 3 years to build a program in basketball. You can find schools who had turmoil and/or no basketball tradition arrive within 3 years from having a good coach.

I do think we have a good shot at making the NCAAs this year, and I hope it builds into something wonderful.

What stinks is when you have potentially 5 guys leaving this year, even with all of the optimism and excitement the fans have about the upcoming season...

Sad that this is your idea of fun.
 

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