Death to Cyclone Alley!

[gocubs2118]

McDermott had two golden opportunites in his first two years to build some momentum and beat a couple of highly ranked teams. The KU game in 07 and the Texas game in 08. Took both teams into OT and of course his teams couldn't seal the deal. Had he won both or even just one of those games, things could have been different for him.

 

[itslow]

I'm telling you man, I was there every year of the transition. The last year without CA, the year with half CA and half GA, and the first year of full CA. The transition occurred during the Morgan years when we were an okay team, winning around 18 a year and making the post season 2 of those 3. The awful on the court product of the last 4 hadn't happened yet. You could just feel the attitude of the student section change. With all GA it was much more like the atmosphere at JTS. When it was split, there was the wilder side over in GA (which typically seemed to have better attendance as well) and then the CA side with matching shirts and crossed arms. Then they went to all CA and the air was just let out of the balloon...

I was there as a student for this same period and would agree 100% with this assessment.

 

[CycloneErik]

Thinking about the KSU game, weren't we down pretty significantly throughout the second half, and probably the first?

I remember that Gilstrap got hot from 3-point land with a couple of minutes to go, and that made the game seem a lot closer than it was. But it seems like that was kind of illusory, and we were pretty much destroyed.

 

[IcSyU]

Thinking about the KSU game, weren't we down pretty significantly throughout the second half, and probably the first?

I remember that Gilstrap got hot from 3-point land with a couple of minutes to go, and that made the game seem a lot closer than it was. But it seems like that was kind of illusory, and we were pretty much destroyed.

******* Clemente couldn't miss IIRC.

 

[gwoodclone]

Thinking about the KSU game, weren't we down pretty significantly throughout the second half, and probably the first?

I remember that Gilstrap got hot from 3-point land with a couple of minutes to go, and that made the game seem a lot closer than it was. But it seems like that was kind of illusory, and we were pretty much destroyed.

Now that you say that, I believe you are right. We had a lot of games that ended up close last year, but I don't remember them feeling like great games at the time. We just made them look not-so-ugly.

 

[gocubs2118]

Figures, we had a 4 point lead against KSU at halftime. Then KSU goes on a 17-4 run to start the second half and pulls away from us. That's something I hated about McDermott's teams, never played well to start the second half. Same thing happened in the Texas game.

 

[CycloneErik]

Just for the record, I didn't want to be right, but I remember the 2nd half being hopeless, and turning to the people around me when we were down a bunch right towards the end and pointing out that we would now go on a 3-point binge, because last year's team loved to do that when it was too late to do any good.

 

[Doc]

Cyclone Alley is run by Cyclone Alley Central, which is a subcommittee of the Student Alumni Leadership Council, which is controlled by the Student Alumni Association, which is controlled by the ISU Alumni Assoction. Basically, the ISUAA and the "advisors" to the student groups have complete, utter, and TOTAL control over everything that happens through any of their tentacles. The Athletics Department has almost nothing to do with it except having a staff representative at some CAC meetings, and having the CAC co-chairs sit on the Athletic Director's Student Advisory Council.

A couple of years ago, I tried to work with Homecoming Central to implement some new ideas and lines of communication to get residence hall students involved with Homecoming activities again. I bent over backwards and did tons of work, but they just would not budge. The full-time advisors were very firmly not interested in doing anything any differently than had been done in the past. The student leaders were vaguely interested, but had been so heavily brainwashed that all they could do was repeat the same half-dozen placating phrases and suggestions over and over.

I've seen the exact same thing in CAC: one of my best friends (a very spirited Cyclone fan) joined CAC this year precisely in the hopes that he could help institute some change into the inadequacies and failures he saw within the organization. He doesn't realize it, but he's well on his way to being just as brainwashed as anybody else in that group, which makes me really sad.

I like CA, and don't want to see it abolished, but I really cannot stand most of the things about the WAY they operate, WHO they select, and HOW they go about both. That all needs some serious reform.

One of my aquaintances got on CAC the first year of Cyclone Alley, but his suggestions were too awesome for the rest of the SALC suckups on the rest of the committee. I think he lasted one meeting. Admittedly, some of his suggestions were probably inappropriate.

 

[Cydwinder]

Just for the record, I didn't want to be right, but I remember the 2nd half being hopeless, and turning to the people around me when we were down a bunch right towards the end and pointing out that we would now go on a 3-point binge, because last year's team loved to do that when it was too late to do any good.

I guess I blocked out most of the 2nd half from my memory. I remember seeing McD, for the first and only time I ever saw, actually looking emotional and trying to get the crowd into the game at the end of the first half.

 

[CycloneErik]

I guess I blocked out most of the 2nd half from my memory. I remember seeing McD, for the first and only time I ever saw, actually looking emotional and trying to get the crowd into the game at the end of the first half.

That's right. Good reminder. He did the tear off the jacket thing, and waving his arms to pump up the crowd.
If it had been his 1st or 2nd year, that part might have been more motivational. By the KSU game last year, I think most Cyclone fans were getting the idea that things wouldn't turn around.

I wish it had worked out better with him, but man, it wasn't about to change. :sad:

 

[BigDISU1]

One of my aquaintances got on CAC the first year of Cyclone Alley, but his suggestions were too awesome for the rest of the SALC suckups on the rest of the committee. I think he lasted one meeting. Admittedly, some of his suggestions were probably inappropriate.

Do you remember what some of his suggestions were? Curious to hear what CA could have been...

 

[bigcyfan82]

same old ********, different year. Seriously guys, cyclone alley doesn't prevent anyone from going to games.

It was a sunday game vs Alabama state (sunday is when most college kids do homework...or are you all to old to remember what it was like to be in college)

If you haven't been to a game this year, you should shut your mouth...if you are unaware of what is actually going on in cyclone alley...i.e.you aren't a student, shut your mouth to.

This ******** is getting really old. It's the exact same lame and inaccurate arguments that were on year last year after the UNI game.

 

[SenorCy]

One half should be CA and the other half should be just a regular student section. That way people that don't like the structure could still sit close to the court and CA would have motivation to be less lame since people that don't like it would just sit on the other side.

 

[CycloneErik]

One half should be CA and the other half should be just a regular student section. That way people that don't like the structure could still sit close to the court and CA would have motivation to be less lame since people that don't like it would just sit on the other side.

That's a pretty simple pro-consumer solution.

 

[wxman1]

same old ********, different year. Seriously guys, cyclone alley doesn't prevent anyone from going to games.

It was a sunday game vs Alabama state (sunday is when most college kids do homework...or are you all to old to remember what it was like to be in college)

If you haven't been to a game this year, you should shut your mouth...if you are unaware of what is actually going on in cyclone alley...i.e.you aren't a student, shut your mouth to.

This ******** is getting really old. It's the exact same lame and inaccurate arguments that were on year last year after the UNI game.

If you were smart you would see the writing on the wall and the pattern and change something. But that's okay your right we don't know anything, we aren't the one's that are paying for the experience. We aren't the one's who see it from a different view point.

The way your going you should give up whatever you are doing and become a politician, you would fit in well.

 

[Palmer]

same old ********, different year. Seriously guys, cyclone alley doesn't prevent anyone from going to games.

It was a sunday game vs Alabama state (sunday is when most college kids do homework...or are you all to old to remember what it was like to be in college)

If you haven't been to a game this year, you should shut your mouth...if you are unaware of what is actually going on in cyclone alley...i.e.you aren't a student, shut your mouth to.

This ******** is getting really old. It's the exact same lame and inaccurate arguments that were on year last year after the UNI game.

All is well! All is well! (insert Kevin Bacon pic)

 

[YellowSnow]

As a former member of CAC I can say that there is a lot to do before games. We were at Hilton at least an hour before game time and many games I didn't get to my seat until tip-off because I was finishing my responsibilities (preping/handing out/putting away props, shirt hand out table, etc, getting promotions ready, making sure Hilton staff/athletics staff were on our same page with our promotions/sponsors for the game, etc).

You do see the irony here don't you?

You wouldn't need to be at Hilton an hour or more before each game if you weren't handing out toys.

I'll go out on a limb and say that the majority of posters in this thread think that general admission seating on a first come basis for ALL student sections would be more valuable to Hilton atmosphere than trinkets and shirts. Nobody would need to be slaving away hours before games setting up tables, taking donations, or blah, blah, etc... if you weren't doing something that most don't want in the first place. The only reason you are all tied up giving shirts and props out is because YOU REQUIRE it to sit down there. How busy would your tables be if that stuff wasn't required. That's what I though.

Here's a suggestion. Study more and get better grades so you won't need bogus leadership resume pap. That way the student section can go back to being a REAL STUDENT SECTION.

That is all... carry on...

 

[aeroclone]

same old ********, different year. Seriously guys, cyclone alley doesn't prevent anyone from going to games.

It was a sunday game vs Alabama state (sunday is when most college kids do homework...or are you all to old to remember what it was like to be in college)

If you haven't been to a game this year, you should shut your mouth...if you are unaware of what is actually going on in cyclone alley...i.e.you aren't a student, shut your mouth to.

This ******** is getting really old. It's the exact same lame and inaccurate arguments that were on year last year after the UNI game.

I don't think that CA is the biggest problem for attendance. That is clearly the last few years of bad basketball. However, CA isn't without blame. Does it create more obstacles to attendance than would exist without it? Without a doubt yes. Additional cost, t-shirt requirement, and the t-shirt issue making ticket transfer more difficult.

However, my main beef with CA isn't what it has done to attendance, but what it has done to atmosphere and attitude. CA killed that, and it killed it before the dark ages of McD-ball.

Still waiting for one of the hardcore CA supporters to provide a few good examples of what benefits we get from CA. I see plenty of people trying to chip away at the arguments of the anti-CA crowd, but I haven't seen anybody make a strong standalone case for the existence of CA. What does it add that we didn't have before CA.

 

[HiltonMagic]

I don't think that CA is the biggest problem for attendance. That is clearly the last few years of bad basketball. However, CA isn't without blame. Does it create more obstacles to attendance than would exist without it? Without a doubt yes. Additional cost, t-shirt requirement, and the t-shirt issue making ticket transfer more difficult.

However, my main beef with CA isn't what it has done to attendance, but what it has done to atmosphere and attitude. CA killed that, and it killed it before the dark ages of McD-ball.

Still waiting for one of the hardcore CA supporters to provide a few good examples of what benefits we get from CA. I see plenty of people trying to chip away at the arguments of the anti-CA crowd, but I haven't seen anybody make a strong standalone case for the existence of CA. What does it add that we didn't have before CA.

The intimidation of a bunch of red shirts!

 

[jsmith86]

You do see the irony here don't you?

You wouldn't need to be at Hilton an hour or more before each game if you weren't handing out toys.

I'll go out on a limb and say that the majority of posters in this thread think that general admission seating on a first come basis for ALL student sections would be more valuable to Hilton atmosphere than trinkets and shirts. Nobody would need to be slaving away hours before games setting up tables, taking donations, or blah, blah, etc... if you weren't doing something that most don't want in the first place. The only reason you are all tied up giving shirts and props out is because YOU REQUIRE it to sit down there. How busy would your tables be if that stuff wasn't required. That's what I though.

Here's a suggestion. Study more and get better grades so you won't need bogus leadership resume pap. That way the student section can go back to being a REAL STUDENT SECTION.

That is all... carry on...

And last time I checked, for the past 3 years that I was in the pep band, the CAC were handing out their trinkets DURING THE GAME. Their excuses are getting really old. It is resume padding, plain and simple.