FIRE HINES

[aauummm]

Jamie's & Fred's side of the story

Here's an interview two Iowa State Daily reporters did, in which Pollard goes in-depth on what happened. Pretty interesting stuff and puts Hines in a very negative light: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be

I'd say that interview with Jamie sets the whole story straight. Fred and Jamie both say that the whole story by Hines is incorrect and some things in it are outright falsehoods. Bye, bye Hines.

 

[Wesley]

Was more of a dig at Penn State. I'm still wildly confused at what's going on. Whether or not Hines reported accurately, these statements didn't come from nowhere. FH and JP could be downplaying a lot or someone formerly with the program was extremely butthurt and made up crap to stir ****.

Ex coaches and ex players would be the likely sources. Not Bubu.

 

[Wesley]

Well, I was thinking more former ISU employees, but I suppose maybe Self is Deep Throat, as I joked in the other thread. Enough ego to be close to double digits.

There was a deposit from William Self via Lawrence State Bank.:twitcy:

 

[CyinCo]

Valid Point, I still don't think you leave a final 4 caliber team that you built and love, for a NBA team with a very risky injury prone superstar, unless something else is a problem... but then again I'm not Fred. IMO he could have any NBA job after this year, but maybe I'm still just a little bitter he left

Do you think Fred is really that sensitive. If he was, he wouldn't go work for an organization that features an injury prone superstar. The very thing that you are convinced drove him away would keep him from taking this job. Do you know anything about Bulls Management? They are going to make JP look like a saint. And yet Hoiberg still took the job.

A can't believe the length people are going to WANT drama in our AD. I would bet there is no more drama in our athletic department than ANYWHERE else in P5. Heck, I'd say ours is significantly less. This isn't a reality show. Did hoiberg and JP always see eye to eye? Probably not. But to say that Hoiberg went to work for the freakin Bulls organization and all the baggage that job has because he couldn't stand his current boss is really making JP out to the worst man is sports. I don't buy he is the worst man in sports.

 

[Rabbuk]

This is literally the most simple minded, shallow response I can think of.

This is a response of the same logical form as JP.
Teacher:Why didn't you tell me Johnny was going to hit you.
JP: I knew that if I said anything to you, you wouldn't do anything about it.
Teacher:...

 

[keepngoal]

This is a response of the same logical form as JP.
Teacher:Why didn't you tell me Johnny was going to hit you.
JP: I knew that if I said anything to you, you wouldn't do anything about it.
Teacher:...

because JP told the teacher before and the teacher didn't do anything.

 

[BodeClone]

Yep, 5 mil a year to call timeouts and iso plays is healthy pay.

Close your account

Signed everybody here.

 

[Rabbuk]

because JP told the teacher before and the teacher didn't do anything.

According to JP. It's a bad inductive argument. but I do think Hines made it up. I just think JP could be better with his media skills.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

We should be thanking Hines. We need more than a bean counter as our AD.

 

[CyinCo]

This is a response of the same logical form as JP.
Teacher:Why didn't you tell me Johnny was going to hit you.
JP: I knew that if I said anything to you, you wouldn't do anything about it.
Teacher:...

Anyone who has spent any time around the media wouldn't go on record in a smear article about themselves. It is dumb to do so. You don't get your side stated. You only get your words twisted to fit the narrative the author has already concluded. That is how the media works. Do you really think Hines would have put a complete unedited quote from JP in his article that he had spent "months" on that completely refuted all the points he was trying to make?

The answer is no. He wouldn't have. The right thing to do is say nothing on record and let the writer look like a jack-*** when the article comes out and the two people at the center of the ENTIRE article appear live to say it isn't at all true.

 

[Clonefan32]

I think the story was short on facts, and I did get to the end and thought "this is it?" However, I have no doubt Hines's story was properly vetted and that what was reported was the sources perception on the situation. Murphy said in his interview the he had heard similar rumblings. I think if you consider that he interviewed multiple sources, he has a good track record as a reporter, and the fact Jamie has made many of the comments cited in the story in the public realm and I imagine there may be something there.

In all, I bet if Travis had a do-over I bet he wouldn't publish it. Either way, I think there's probably something there but that the story is likely largely overstated.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Did he seriously say that? That's a horrible...HORRIBLE response on Pollard's part. He has his chance, and just threw is arms up and said 'welp, it's already written so whatever...'. That is stupidity on his part for not finding out what was said and putting his thoughts into the story.

Also said Hines spoke with Fred a full 3 weeks prior and Fred said if he ran the story Fred would publicly come out and refute everything. Fred called JP for the heads-up. Hines was giving JP zero chance to respond and only wanted to talk to JP the very day the article was posting.

 

[dahliaclone]

Re: Jamie's & Fred's side of the story

I'd say that interview with Jamie sets the whole story straight. Fred and Jamie both say that the whole story by Hines is incorrect and some things in it are outright falsehoods. Bye, bye Hines.

Hines, if all this is bogus which none of us know it is, wouldn't be the only one at fault. ***** about Hines and want him gone, that's fine, but do the same to every single editor or editor in chief at the Ames Trib that had to sign off on this story. They are just as at fault.

 

[dahliaclone]

Also said Hines spoke with Fred a full 3 weeks prior and Fred said if he ran the story Fred would publicly come out and refute everything. Fred called JP for the heads-up. Hines was giving JP zero chance to respond and only wanted to talk to JP the very day the article was posting.

Again. If that's true, that whole staff at the Trib is beyond stupid and should all be getting heat, not just Hines. Several people had to sign off on that story.

 

[Rabbuk]

Anyone who has spent any time around the media wouldn't go on record in a smear article about themselves. It is dumb to do so. You don't get your side stated. You only get your words twisted to fit the narrative the author has already concluded. That is how the media works. Do you really think Hines wouldn't have put a complete unedited quote from JP in his article that he had spent "months" on that completely refuted all the points he was trying to make?

The answer is no. He wouldn't have. The right thing to do is say nothing on record and let the writer look like a jack-*** when the article comes out and the two people at the center of the ENTIRE article appear live to say it isn't at all true.

Send an email with a timestamped on Wednesday from his official Iowa State email account to Travis hines, saying he categorically denies the entire article. Then post that on his twitter.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Valid Point, I still don't think you leave a final 4 caliber team that you built and love, for a NBA team with a very risky injury prone superstar, unless something else is a problem... but then again I'm not Fred. IMO he could have any NBA job after this year, but maybe I'm still just a little bitter he left

So he over doubled his salary to take a job with a pro team he played on for a GM he's good friends with and oh yeah, it was his stated desire for years to coach at the highest level.

 

[Clonefan32]

Also, people are talking about disgruntled coaches. Sounds like Hines vetted the story through at least 5 people. How many disgruntled coaches, or even players, could have come out of the last 5 years? Mann is literally the only one I can think of who would have left on bad terms.

 

[aauummm]

Re: Jamie's & Fred's side of the story

Hines, if all this is bogus which none of us know it is, wouldn't be the only one at fault. ***** about Hines and want him gone, that's fine, but do the same to every single editor or editor in chief at the Ames Trib that had to sign off on this story. They are just as at fault.

Yep, I agree. I wonder, does a hok own the Ames Tribune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be

 

[Clonefan32]

Also, in words I would have thought I'd never use a few years ago, I'm kind of just ready for Fred to go away. Go do your NBA thing, leave us alone here in the little leagues, and let's all just move on.

 

[cstrunk]

I think the story was short on facts, and I did get to the end and thought "this is it?" However, I have no doubt Hines's story was properly vetted and that what was reported was the sources perception on the situation. Murphy said in his interview the he had heard similar rumblings. I think if you consider that he interviewed multiple sources, he has a good track record as a reporter, and the fact Jamie has made many of the comments cited in the story in the public realm and I imagine there may be something there.

In all, I bet if Travis had a do-over I bet he wouldn't publish it. Either way, I think there's probably something there but that the story is likely largely overstated.

I'm sure there has been tension and grumblings within the AD. It's just like any other workplace, except you have people with even larger's egos (nearly everyone). If you wanted to write about that, fine. But it was a clearly one-sided story that sensationalized trivial events. If you're going to write about stuff like this you need to quadruple check your facts. The main headline in the media now is "ISU forces players to sleep in hotel ballroom." This obviously did not happen, and is proof that the article is terribly written (among other things), especially for something that he has been working on for months.