*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

PizzaTheHutt

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I’m more optimistic about the season after last night. Don’t get me wrong it hurt and it was lucky and it happens….on to the next etc….BUT that half court shot will be considered a gift to this team by years end.

As a competitor you search for answers after you lay it all out there and come up short. You say to yourself, “What could I have done better?” You think of the things that you could control, make my free throws, rebound, be stronger with the ball, cut harder, demand the ball, win the 50-50s.

As talented as this team is, if you truly want them to reach their ceiling….sometimes it’s more rewarding to be punched in the mouth and reminded that as good as you are and as much success as you’ve had so far… you’re still vulnerable if you don’t execute the little things at a high level. If you want to do great things it’s going to require even more. It forces you to push beyond your current limits and reach a new level.

With the way T.J. is and the character of this team. I have no doubt that will happen. Onto the purple kitties and then another great opportunity to test your mettle in the PHOG.
 
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Chances are that if the defender is close enough that a foul could get called, Love (or any Arizona player) would have shot the ball early and tried to create contact to get three free throws. Hopefully the referees wouldn't fall for it, but if they did and Arizona tied the game that way, then everyone would be questioning why Iowa State defenders were close enough to make a foul on the shot possible.

The only way TJ would not have been questioned on any calls in that situation is if we win in regulation.
 
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.5 seconds is enough to catch and shoot. 2.2 seconds is more than enough time to throw a ball to half court with another player setting a screen to a guy who gets a good look. That play is actually in most coach's back pocket.
They had two players in the front court, for what you are saying, one of the guards would have to run into the front court and either set a screen or be the shooter of the ball. The clock starts the moment the guy in the front court catches it, so how is the guard or the other big man suppose to catch the ball, pass it to someone else, while we have players there and get the shot off with 2.2 seconds on the clock?

No, up three the last thing you want to do is what we allowed, a guard to catch the ball, dribble it once or twice, get squared up to the hoop with his momentum going towards the basket and shoot the ball.
 

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Sometimes it's just a perfect storm too. IMO runs are gonna happen, how you respond is what's most important.
There are perfect storms, but this teetering on a trend since we have seen it handful of times this year. 16-0 run is a lot for how talented and well balanced we are on both sides of the ball.
 
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Bryce Drew would like a word.

Unlikely? Yes. But we have literally seen it happen before.

Shoot, if Milan had 2.2 seconds last year against Baylor, that’s a W, and that was a pass from King to Milan with 1.5.
You mean this shot, where we in bounded from the sideline, not at the other end of the court? You are comparing an in bound between our bench and scores table to one that is under your own basket?

 

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There are perfect storms, but this teetering on a trend since we have seen it handful of times this year. 16-0 run is a lot for how talented and well balanced we are on both sides of the ball.
Basketball is and always will be a game of runs. Some of the best teams of all time have given up big runs. That is how the sport is.

It was a tough road environment with only one days rest and a team still piecing things together after one of their starters was injured. You’re being over critical it happens to ALL teams
 

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So you're saying that, generally, officiating is terrible. What is the point of a rule if it isn't enforced?
Yes officiating is terrible in college basketball.

And yes dribbling into three guys in the lane typically has never drawn a call and has always been viewed as a bailout call, regardless of getting your hands slapped once you're in the lane.

Just also like trapping with your arms vertical but initiating contact with the mid-section and chest and violating the cylinder is absolutely supposed to be a foul, but is almost never called. That's a good thing, because that's how ISU traps and has trapped all game long since TJ took over. And also just like how ISUs guards on a high screen often put hands on the ball handler to stay connected and restrict movement to allow them to get around the screens. Again, supposed to be a foul but it doesn't get called.

Just like bluebloods get general benefit of the doubt on calls, ISU now has earned the reputation as a great defensive team that is allowed to foul by the book, but doesn't get called very often.

This isn't Frank Martin or Bob Huggins murderball or anything, but ISU is a very physical teams that commits a lot of fouls by the book that just aren't going to get called at a high rate.
 

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Is "all of the above"a selection?
In other words no 100% right answer. All you need to know.

Personally, I would never foul them at that area of the court. Missing the FT? Maybe, but there are more things that can wrong in that scenario if you are only up 2.

Sometimes things happen.

Also, they still could have pulled it out in OT. The game wasn’t over when he hit that 3.
 
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You mean this shot, where we in bounded from the sideline, not at the other end of the court? You are comparing an in bound between our bench and scores both to one that is under your own basket?



Well you seem to think you can’t inbound it to someone and have them pass it to someone else to shoot with 2.2 seconds. Clearly you can, no matter where it the inbounds happens on the court.
 
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They had two players in the front court, for what you are saying, one of the guards would have to run into the front court and either set a screen or be the shooter of the ball. The clock starts the moment the guy in the front court catches it, so how is the guard or the other big man suppose to catch the ball, pass it to someone else, while we have players there and get the shot off with 2.2 seconds on the clock?

No, up three the last thing you want to do is what we allowed, a guard to catch the ball, dribble it once or twice, get squared up to the hoop with his momentum going towards the basket and shoot the ball.
Conveniently 2.2 seconds left in this clip

 

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#1 seed is out of the question now unless we win at either Houston or Kansas. There's no guarantee we don't slip up in another road game like UCF either.

We are basically competing with Houston and a 2nd SEC school and maybe Michigan St. The rest of our schedule is pretty bad so we don't have alot of chances left for a signature win.
Conference tournament win would cement a #1 if there aren’t more farts along the way
 

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Personally, I would never foul them at that area of the court. Missing the FT? Maybe, but there are more things that can wrong in that scenario if you are only up 2.

Sometimes things happen.

Also, they still could have pulled it out in OT. The game wasn’t over when he hit that 3.
I probably side with what happened as well.
You can't lose it in regulation. And you live with the 5% probability of hitting the shot

If I offered a deal where if you invest money and make profit 95% of the time, but there is a risk of losing money 5% of the time the smart investor takes the deal
 

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I have moved on past the incredibly lucky and garbage 65ft shot, to really focusing on the 4-5 times we got the ball literally taken from us around the top of the key for an easy layup/dunk. We gave up at minimum 10 points just not being strong with the ball. Can't spot a road team 10 points or more doing that.

then AZ pretty much got at least another 10 points of us not boxing out their big man.

So that hurts. and its just amazing we still should have won.
I need to move on. ugh.
 
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I get that Arizona got a lucky buzzard beater to send this to overtime, but this ISU squad completely quit and didn’t bother showing up for overtime. I’m starting to get worried about this team as we looked completely pedestrian against WVU and Arizona. This team isn’t a 1 seed anymore and until they stop playing down to lesser opponents they won’t be the elite team we thought they were.

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