Seth Greenberg Likes ISU

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It's a week before I'm off for 10 days, I need something to argue until then while working.

Understandable. I can't wait till after the Drake game Saturday, no game until New Year's Eve. This place will be going crazy. My worst fear is a bad game from either the team or from McKay. The amount of questioning will be unbearable.
 

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We're trying to argue that. Either you agree with it or you don't. Which is it?
Depends on the teams and their resumes being compared. There is no one answer that applies universally to every scenario. Between Maryland and ISU specifically? They're a coin flip in my book. I'd probably put Maryland directly ahead of ISU at this point courtesy of the head to head victory since their resumes are not significantly different. If Alabama, a team that has lost to every Top 100 team it has played, is ISU's best win then I wouldn't exactly say that ISU's resume is heads and tails above a team that beat them head to head.
 

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Do you guys realize that long post by tuco almost completely contradicts what he has been saying this entire thread?
 

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Good work, I agree. I can understand Maryland being ranked above ISU or ISU above Maryland though I think ISU's resume is a little better at this point. I just got snippy with the KU UK post.
No worries. It's all in good fun here. I have very thick skin to say the least. All I am saying is that I don't question Seth Davis' mental health for having voted Maryland above ISU given all of the facts. There really isn't much of a difference. Do I think ISU will end the season in a much better place than Maryland? Yes, but who knows.
 

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Depends on the teams and their resumes being compared. There is no one answer that applies universally to every scenario. Between Maryland and ISU specifically? They're a coin flip in my book. I'd probably put Maryland directly ahead of ISU at this point courtesy of the head to head victory since their resumes are not significantly different. If Alabama, a team that has lost to every Top 100 team it has played, is ISU's best win then I wouldn't exactly say that ISU's resume is heads and tails above a team that beat them head to head.

Arkansas is the best win and they've beat 3 other top 100 RPI teams.
 

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No worries. It's all in good fun here. I have very thick skin to say the least. All I am saying is that I don't question Seth Davis' mental health for having voted Maryland above ISU given all of the facts. There really isn't much of a difference. Do I think ISU will end the season in a much better place than Maryland? Yes, but who knows.

Well to be fair it was Davis who was questioning how ISU could possibly be ranked above Maryland that started this whole thing, not people jumping Seth for how he voted.

Would love to know the rationale for ranking Iowa St ahead of Md. Terps' only L was to Virginia and they beat Iowa State on a neutral court.

I still don't care but am amused by the arguments.
 

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The same Arkansas team that lost to a terrible Clemson team that has lost to Gardner-Webb, Rutgers and Winthrop?

I thought you didn't play the they lost to who to lost to who. Yeah they dropped the ball on the road to Clemson but we took their pride away the game before that.
 
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That's like considering the KU-Utah game in KC to be a neutral site.

I don't remember seeing ISU's logo plastered on the court in Kansas City.
KU vs Utah = home game
ISU vs Maryland = Neutral site

Secondary point: KU game was in Kansas = Home game
ISU game vs Maryland was not in Iowa = Not a home game

Let me know if you have any questions.
 

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Sure. 1) If team ranked #1 beats team ranked #2 by 30 points, it doesn't automatically mean that team #2 isn't still the second best team in the country. It just means that team #1 was 30 points better than them that day and should still be ranked #1. Since you are all spending so much time trying to convince me that the results of an individual game are less important than the weight of an overall resume, I would argue that KU's overall resume deserves to have them ranked higher than they are since it is much more impressive than some of the teams ranked above them. 2) ISU's overall resume, given the limited sample size at this point in the season, is marginally better than Maryland's overall. I would understand why a voter would vote ISU higher than Maryland despite the head to head win. I would also certainly not think it is ridiculous for a person to say that the head to head win means more to them when they voted and put Maryland ahead of ISU. There simply isn't enough of a difference in the resumes for it to be ridiculous considering that they did actually beat them.

I think we are on the same page there neither is ridiculous, but seth whining about it is a little over the top and show his east coast bias. 99 percent of the voters and opinions that matter seem to agree ISU is considerably better almost all have them ahead of MD
 

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I don't remember seeing ISU's logo plastered on the court in Kansas City. KU vs Utah = home game ISU vs Maryland = Neutral site Secondary point: KU game was in Kansas = Home game ISU game vs Maryland was not in Iowa = Not a home game Let me know if you have any questions.
I do have one question... when did the Sprint Center get moved to Kansas?
 

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I would still argue that it's a home game, it just so happens that Kansas City is located in both Missouri and Kansas.

But it's not just geography and proximity to where the fans are, KU's logo was on the center court. Neutral games do not have one of team's logos on the center court.

Just messing with you, 78, hence the winky. Besides, I figured I better say it before Tuco.

Look up a page or so and I said pretty much exactly what you did about the logo and season ticket holders making it a home game. I also said that given the fans at the ISU game, it certainly should have an asterisk after neutral for ISU.