Texas forums/CF agree: new big 12 is 2nd tier G5 (edit)

[BoxsterCy]

Difference is we’re losing our best actual team and our best cash cow. That wasn’t the case when we lost Nebraska, CU, A&M and Missouri. Who will be the best team now? ISU? OSU? Cincy? BYU? None of those bring the punch OU does. And I feel like BYU is the only one that would have potential staying power.

Reality is that we have no idea how it will play out. But you’re naive if you think ISU won’t jump to the Big Ten or Pac if given the chance.

Oh, not saying we won't jump (and should), just saying this is our current best option. At least this band aid isn't completely **** teams although your earlier post saying they will likely comeback to a median is probably right.

I think I am going to cut and paste and the save that "naive" thingie. I'm used to being called a cynical bastard.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

The problem with that fumble is that Texas can't have it both ways. You can't want to keep moving the pile and having the play blown dead at the same time.

Are you sure?

 

[dosry5]

Very interesting to assess the negative vs positive emoticons. Pretty evenly split. Your patronizing aside, any/all schools are always looking for their best interests. And, as so many have argued on this site, the variables are too dynamic at this point to reach a conclusion. And, even more so, the period of 'assessing' the decision will vary widely. So, let's check back on your position in 5,10, and 15 years and see where things are at.

Great idea. I put it on my google calendar!

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Are you sure?

 

[Brandon]

I'm sure they will steal Saban away now they're in the $EC

 

[jcyclonee]

I feel like they quickly approaching the “bring in a mediocre coach from the NFL” desperation move era.

Mike Zimmer will be looking for a job and he was a popular d coordinator with the Cowboys.

Urban Meyer would certainly fit in well with his arrogance and enjoyment of lap dances.

 

[HFCS]

They’ll win once they get the 720 degree double wrap around video board.

 

[HFCS]

Mike Zimmer will be looking for a job and he was a popular d coordinator with the Cowboys.

Urban Meyer would certainly fit in well with his arrogance and enjoyment of lap dances.

Urban Meyer + pole assassin = national championship

 

[SCNCY]

Talking heads are already talking definitively about firing him after next year unless he pulls 10 ish wins out of his butt. They were expecting 8-4 minimum with a solidified quarterback position to build momentum after year one. They are staring 6-6, possibly 5-7 with two options at quarterback nobody is remotely excited about, and Sark was never close to their first choice, and it's debatable if he was even close to their 2nd choice. Most objective analysis was calling Sark a lateral move, but most Texas people aren't going to give the hire that much credit right now as you can see. They won't hesitate to fire him with 4 years left on his deal. Head coach at Texas is a tenuous way to live.

Who were the other coaches that Texas interviewed or inquired about?

 

[xboxfever]

You are also underselling the potential of Cinci and Houston with a new seat at the big boy table. Houston could absolutely turn into a monster and Cicni has a ton of potential too. UCF has a ton of potential too. Jumping from the AAC to P5 status absolutely matters.

People said the same thing about TCU. “Look how good they are as a non P5 team. Imagine what they can do as a P5 team.” They’ve turned into a mediocre P5 team. They didn’t turn into powerhouse a lot of people thought they would. UCF had a couple great years. They’ve been bad to mediocre any other time. They will be a bottom feeder in this conference along with Kansas. BYU won’t pull in better players because they are a Mormon school. What they get now, is what they’ll get in the future. They’ll be a mediocre team in the P5. Houston and Cincy might pull in a little better recruits but they will be pretty much the middle of the conference most years. This conference no longer has a blue blood, or a big name school to boost the perception. The Big 12, even with these new teams, is eventually going to get dropped from the P5 status. It’s treading water and barely staying afloat right now. ISU would be fools not to jump ship to the Big ten or PAC 12 if the opportunity presented itself.

 

[dafarmer]

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And Alabama's. And Oklahoma's. Seems to me they are OUR ******* now.

 

[IsUaClone2]

“Second tier conference” do Texas fans really think they make a difference with their performance in the conference? Texas football has been nothing but average to below average since Colt McCoy. Them leaving only hurts this conference financially, nothing else. The B12 will be the premier basketball conference and Cincinnati, BYU and UCF have all had better football programs than Texas (all but UCF have had better basketball too) the last 10 years. I personally am looking forward to seeing them be bottom feeders and never make it out of the dungeon in the SEC and their boards will all be saying “we should’ve never left the B12”, “we could be the premier program in the B12 right now”. They are delusional, almost as much as TOE fans.

Texas fans are so rooted in the past that they will be saying "We never should have blown up the Southwest Conference let alone the Big Eight."

Texas continues to try to build the best car in the world by buying the highest-rated individual systems from its competitors (best engine, transmission, braking, radiator, tire, wheel, suspension, steering, safety, A/C, entertainment, seating, storage, anti-skid, climate control, etc.) then trying to assemble those pieces into a perfect car but the pieces don't fit together and, when you try to modify them to fit, they no longer perform optimally if they work at all.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

So on these Texas forums, they are complaining about the refs, which is ironic. Also, we've won 3 of the last 4 meetings in Ames against the Whorns and in 2013, we should've won, but refs ultimately failed us and we got the infamous Rhoads presser to follow. So yeah, the refs were against Texas....my ass

 

[CascadeClone]

maybe in practice but not necessarily in perception by media and fans. Perception is reality and Fox and ESPN can make us perceived as however they want.

The rebooted conference needs a brand. OuT had brands - money and history, mostly. Some kind of brand for the conference or for a couple of the teams is what is needed, to give the bubbleheads on TV something simple they can understand and talk about.

For a while that brand was "no defense". True or not, that was the brand and it was something to talk about.

Tech had a brand with the Pirate - passing passing passing points points points. That put them on the map for a while.

IDK what the Big12 brand can/should be going forward.

 

[AuH2O]

People really overstate the strength of the Big 12 going forward. KU is one of the worst in d1 college football, Tech and TCU are going to be pretty poor going forward, West Virginia is not great, Houston is having a great year but they haven’t played anyone and still got dominated by a bad Tech team, Cincinnati won’t always be top 10, UCF is looking pretty average lately. We can pretend like all of that is so much better than the PAC 12 and ACC, but in reality it really isn’t.

With the new schedules, if a team from the Pac 12, ACC, and Big 12 go undefeated, who do you think it more likely to make the playoff and be higher ranked? Heck, Oregon is getting more respect than Oklahoma this year and they even have 1 loss. That respect isn’t going to be helped when Texas and OU leave.

Also, it’s hard not to believe that our recruiting is only going to get tougher. Our selling point of you get to play OU and Texas every year goes away. That is going to hurt some.

People keep saying this stuff and ignoring the fact that 5/12 of the new big 12 teams are currently ranked and 1/14 PAC teams are ranked. OU isn't getting enough respect because they have played a weak schedule and have escaped with close wins against terrible teams. Tulane, Nebraska, Kansas are all terrible and they barely won. Their best win is what - a 3 point win vs. WVU in Norman? They have yet to play 2, 3 and 4 in the league. If they win those games they will have earned respect and will get it. Right now they were just Wake Forest - good record without any good wins. OU hasn't earned respect yet. The only games they have won convincingly are against two teams that fired their coaches mid-season.

On the other hand, Oregon went into the Horseshoe and ran it down OSU's throat. And by the way no one else in the PAC is ranked and only Utah is getting votes. People don't respect the PAC. I'm sure the new Big 12 will be underappreciated, but the way voters are ranking these teams and viewers are watching, it suggests that may not be the case.

 

[joefrog]

He’s not wrong. ISU will absolutely jump ship it offered by the Big Ten or Pac. And they should. You can try to pump this new conference up all you want, but it won’t be 3rd best in the nation. That’s just reality. Reality is also that ISU, at least currently, doesn’t have any better option. The two ideas don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

Agree that ISU would absolutely join Big Ten if offered.

Can also almost absolutely guarantee such an offer will never, ever happen.

And that the real power in Iowa will make sure it doesn't, if things ever start moving that way.

Iowa loved the 80s where ISU was a nobody in a conference with unequal revenue sharing, and would

love to see ISU return to that status.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

People keep saying this stuff and ignoring the fact that 5/12 of the new big 12 teams are currently ranked and 1/14 PAC teams are ranked. OU isn't getting enough respect because they have played a weak schedule and have escaped with close wins against terrible teams. Tulane, Nebraska, Kansas are all terrible and they barely won. Their best win is what - a 3 point win vs. WVU in Norman? They have yet to play 2, 3 and 4 in the league. If they win those games they will have earned respect and will get it. Right now they were just Wake Forest - good record without any good wins. OU hasn't earned respect yet. The only games they have won convincingly are against two teams that fired their coaches mid-season.

On the other hand, Oregon went into the Horseshoe and ran it down OSU's throat. And by the way no one else in the PAC is ranked and only Utah is getting votes. People don't respect the PAC. I'm sure the new Big 12 will be underappreciated, but the way voters are ranking these teams and viewers are watching, it suggests that may not be the case.

I think the new big 12 will use some of the OUT money to do a PR campaign. The teams can then schedule the other conferences and earn due respect. One thing ISU needs to do is start beating toe.

 

[CYCLNST8]

People said the same thing about TCU. “Look how good they are as a non P5 team. Imagine what they can do as a P5 team.” They’ve turned into a mediocre P5 team. They didn’t turn into powerhouse a lot of people thought they would. UCF had a couple great years. They’ve been bad to mediocre any other time. They will be a bottom feeder in this conference along with Kansas. BYU won’t pull in better players because they are a Mormon school. What they get now, is what they’ll get in the future. They’ll be a mediocre team in the P5. Houston and Cincy might pull in a little better recruits but they will be pretty much the middle of the conference most years. This conference no longer has a blue blood, or a big name school to boost the perception. The Big 12, even with these new teams, is eventually going to get dropped from the P5 status. It’s treading water and barely staying afloat right now. ISU would be fools not to jump ship to the Big ten or PAC 12 if the opportunity presented itself.

Yeah, maybe. Or Houston could turn into a juggernaut. Who knows?

What I do know is you'll drive yourself insane waiting on that B1G invite. Might as well make the best with what we have. At least we're not in the AAC.

 

[joefrog]

That’s why I said “actual football”.

The conference will be endlessly negged by ESPN, but that doesn’t mean it won’t routinely be better than the Pac 12 and ACC

This times 1000. Who matters in the Pac12? Oregon, which we just beat in the Fiesta Bowl? Now who? USC? Absent the Pete Carrol years, they're about Okie State. Same with Washington. UCLA? Meh.

As for ACC, where are they now? ND? Decent. Clemson? Possibly back to normal now. FSU? Absolute dog crap. Miami? Same.

Big12 will be close behind the Big10 and only a little behind average SEC, absent Georgia, Alabama, and LSU. Those 3 will be nearly constant playoff participants.

 

[joefrog]

The problem with that fumble is that Texas can't have it both ways. You can't want to keep moving the pile and having the play blown dead at the same time.

That's the problem, Texas believes they can. They've done it before. Refs blow fumble call ISU Texas