But he’s not the best.
It is okay for these two things to be true:
1.) he’s not the best qb in the last 20 years, let alone program history
2.) he is the most accomplished QB in program history.
What's Brock Purdys record in 1 possession games?
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It is okay for these two things to be true:
1.) he’s not the best qb in the last 20 years, let alone program history
2.) he is the most accomplished QB in program history.
And they still had 50 yards to go in 40 seconds. Who on this team last night is making a play that ties the game. You can't throw 10 5 yard out routes to Charlie Kolar here. We lacked a playmaker that could have done so in this situation, and needed to take a risk. Fluke bounce, but think would have been tough pressed to finish the drive anyway.
I love the binary nature of the Purdy discussion. Apparently you either have to be an unabashed supporter or a hater.
I appreciate the kid for all he's done and what he's stood for. He was a big reason behind the most successful run of football we've seen. He's represented the university and program with tremendous class and seems like a great young person.
As a football player I think he was hampered by playing enough that his flaws and tendencies were exploited by other teams/coaches. The book was out to pressure him and get him off his spot. I just have to question the quality of coaching he received because we seemed to see the same mistakes repeated over and over.
I also think he's a player who probably hit his ceiling early on due to his physical limitations. With being on the smaller side and not having a huge arm, he was able to be exploited a little more as his career went on.
In any event, a very good player, a huge part of our success and a great young person. Hope he has great success in his future.
I appreciate the kid for all he's done and what he's stood for. He was a big reason behind the most successful run of football we've seen. He's represented the university and program with tremendous class and seems like a great young person.
As a football player I think he was hampered by playing enough that his flaws and tendencies were exploited by other teams/coaches. The book was out to pressure him and get him off his spot. I just have to question the quality of coaching he received because we seemed to see the same mistakes repeated over and over.
I also think he's a player who probably hit his ceiling early on due to his physical limitations. With being on the smaller side and not having a huge arm, he was able to be exploited a little more as his career went on.
In any event, a very good player, a huge part of our success and a great young person. Hope he has great success in his future.
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The kid owns what, 32 records as QB at ISU? Best ever at the position for ISU.
We'd love to have a higher ceiling now that we've had a taste of greatness.
We'd love to have a higher ceiling now that we've had a taste of greatness.
Brock was 0-0. The Cyclones were 2-5.
We’re talking about overall talent? And overall Purdy or just freshman Purdy?
I’d say also Sage (yes, 21 years ago) for sure. He’s not more talented than Park, Steele. I’m not sure he’s more talented than Meyer. Imo he’s Richardson with more surrounding talent and a scheme that prioritizes completion percentage/minimizes the need for QB talent. Kempt, who I don’t think is overly talented, for example had a similar passing rating as Purdy the last three years. Not surprisingly, Purdy had his lowest rating the year we won the most games.
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I disagree, he's the best in my lifetime, which includes Seneca and Rosenfels. People forget how poorly Seneca's senior season ended. He threw 15 TDs to 18 INTs that year. I loved Seneca, but Purdy is at least in the conversation, if not outright the better college QB.
It wasn't a fluke though, he was running with ball like he still thought he had a chance to throw even though he was well past the LOS. He finally decided to tuck it right as the defender swpied at it.
It was actually a combination of a good defensive play and Brock not protecting the ball. I can't imagine he's ever been coached to scramble with the ball that exposed.
It is funny how many people blasted Purdy's "hero ball" trying to do more in the last minute when you need to get a touchdown but celebrate Seneca's "the run" when everyone knows the smart play was to throw that ball away long before he could make that incredible play. And Seneca didn't have the pressure at that point in the game to make something happen.
This is not to denigrate Seneca's incredible play, either.
Before we continue, how talented do you think Kempt was? Where does he fit in the conversation?
By those metrics he had a better year than Wallace.
Fluke being how it bounced 8 yards backwards, not in the fact he fumbled.
In any other circumstance he slides or goes down. However, when your lacking playmakers he has to get around that tackle and pick up 15 yards. Risk worth taking when you don't have a single playmaker on offense against that D. Unfortunate that he fumbled, but i dont see how they go 50 yards there at the pace they were running the hurry up. I'm 10x more disappointed with that then the actual play.
What’s funny about it? I’m not one to call Purdy hero ball, but talent should be taken into account in what you try to do. Purdy was uncanny in making bloopers.
One is utilizing elite talent, the other is trying to do something you can’t execute at the expense of the team. The latter has a lot of overlap with hero ball, although I don’t see Purdy as doing it for the selfish reasons typically associated with hero ball
You are confusing the analysts/ announcers. Tom Luginbill did play QB and his father was a long time college coach. Dusty Dvorcek was a D lineman at OU and a wash out one at that for my Bears in the NFL. Luginbill and Dvorcek do have similar voices. They honestly should have let Pasch and Luginbill call the game and sent Dusty to the OU game.
You’re probably right in that Hero Ball insinuates some selfishness. . . not sure what other term to use though.
I guess it really just looks like lack of situational awareness or plain old bad judgement. If you need to save time there, slide and spike the ball.
I honestly don’t know if it’s Purdy sometimes or the coaches just not properly teaching these guys what to do in a 2 minute drill. We’ve seen it over and over with late/slow play calls and disorganization when time is of the essence.
I went back and watched that play again. I legit think that he thought he was going to get the edge and go off to the races. While palming the ball in front of him 4 yards past the line of scrimmage.
It was a bad decision—overestimation of his own abilities and lack of awareness. Hero ball? Whatever you want to call it idk, but the result is the same.
Seneca >>> Kempt. Stats aren't everything, I agree. My belief that Purdy is the best QB in Iowa State history is not JUST about stats, although those back up his claim as well. He's also the winningest QB in school history, and it's not close.
So, we've got a guy that won more games than anyone else, helped achieve things never before accomplished here, and ALSO owns basically every QB single season and career record. Give me Purdy.
That's not a knock on Seneca or Sage, they were awesome too and may end up with better pro careers than Purdy.
Don't know if its been said yet or not, but Brock's record in 1 score games is the same as Kolar's, Hall's, Rose's... It's a team sport.
He is the most accomplished (stats and wins). I don't think that means best. Definitely not the most talented.
One way to normalize it is with Kempt. If a modestly talented QB like Kempt had a similar season right before, with this staff, it is likely simply that he was a four year starter in this system/program.
Then there is the eye test and looking at how we won and lost each game. Not often you say we would have lost that without great play at QB. Just as many times one could say when we needed the QB to make a play, he did a Purdy blooper.
There is also the NFL evaluation. Although not necessarily a perfect measure of college talent, there has never been a better time to be a small, accurate QB in terms of getting drafted. Yet he has fallen down the boards.
Also hard to kill one player when we have a coach that preaches 5 star culture yet the team doesn't do the little things to win games.
Poor clock management, Lack of Discipline, Turnovers and Poor Special Teams have plagued this team the last two years. Somehow we have kind of lost our way and need to get that back next year. But it certainly isn't on one player.
