What's Brock Purdys record in 1 possession games?

[CyGuy5]

Don't know if its been said yet or not, but Brock's record in 1 score games is the same as Kolar's, Hall's, Rose's... It's a team sport.

The thing is, Purdy controls the game way more than Charlie Kolar does. The ball is in Purdy’s hands on every single play. The criticism is warranted. Whether it’s fair or not, the great QBs are measured on if they can win you a game when it’s all on the line. Unfortunately, I don’t think that guy is Purdy.

 

[NoCreativity]

Not to pile on, but Zeb Nolands team jsut ended up with the exact same record as Purdy.

 

[CascadeClone]

I would be 10,000 times more concerned / interested in what CMC's record in 1 score games is. Including at Toledo.

What's that old saw about baseball managers record in 1 run games?

 

[davegilbertson]

We’re talking about overall talent? And overall Purdy or just freshman Purdy?

I’d say also Sage (yes, 21 years ago) for sure. He’s not more talented than Park, Steele. I’m not sure he’s more talented than Meyer. Imo he’s Richardson with more surrounding talent and a scheme that prioritizes completion percentage/minimizes the need for QB talent. Kempt, who I don’t think is overly talented, for example had a similar passing rating as Purdy the last three years. Not surprisingly, Purdy had his lowest rating the year we won the most games.

Richardson feels like a stretch, but with you on everything else.

 

[davegilbertson]

You think he wasn't trying to knock it down?

He was not

 

[davegilbertson]

Also hard to kill one player when we have a coach that preaches 5 star culture yet the team doesn't do the little things to win games.

Poor clock management, Lack of Discipline, Turnovers and Poor Special Teams have plagued this team the last two years. Somehow we have kind of lost our way and need to get that back next year. But it certainly isn't on one player.

None of those other players are cited as being 15-1 at home against Big12 conference. He can't get all the credit, yet none of the critique. It's important to be rational with our criticism though.

 

[davegilbertson]

It is funny how many people blasted Purdy's "hero ball" trying to do more in the last minute when you need to get a touchdown but celebrate Seneca's "the run" when everyone knows the smart play was to throw that ball away long before he could make that incredible play. And Seneca didn't have the pressure at that point in the game to make something happen.

This is not to denigrate Seneca's incredible play, either.

Counter point. Can you cite a time Purdy did something similar that resulted in a positive outcome that fans will return to decades down the road?

He had the proclivity for outstanding play by maximum effort, they just rarely turned out positive.

 

[cysmiley]

Imagine having a lesser QB with that OL against that defense. He didn’t play his best game. But crapping all over him after all he’s given doesn’t seem right

Perhaps some posters should review the Fiesta Bowl tape: scrambling and passing!

 

[besserheimerphat]

He was not

It seemed pretty clear to me he was trying to bat it away from anyone. Unfortunately it wasn't executed well.

Just like that TCU pick-6 - he was trying to throw it away rather than take the sack, but couldn't get enough on it (if he had, it was probably grounding).

Neither case is necessarily a bad decision, but both were executed as poorly as possible. People need to separate the decision from the outcome. Sometimes a good decisions don't go well and sometimes bad decisions work out anyway.

It seems like half of Brock's INTs came on tipped balls and it's hard to pin those all on him. Some, sure. But when a ball bounces off our open receiver's hands and right to a defender, that's not Brock's fault even though it goes against his stat line.

 

[isucy86]

I love the binary nature of the Purdy discussion. Apparently you either have to be an unabashed supporter or a hater.

I appreciate the kid for all he's done and what he's stood for. He was a big reason behind the most successful run of football we've seen. He's represented the university and program with tremendous class and seems like a great young person.

As a football player I think he was hampered by playing enough that his flaws and tendencies were exploited by other teams/coaches. The book was out to pressure him and get him off his spot. I just have to question the quality of coaching he received because we seemed to see the same mistakes repeated over and over.

I also think he's a player who probably hit his ceiling early on due to his physical limitations. With being on the smaller side and not having a huge arm, he was able to be exploited a little more as his career went on.

In any event, a very good player, a huge part of our success and a great young person. Hope he has great success in his future.

Well said. Brock was an overachiever based on his physical skills. When he made mistakes, it wasn't because he didn't give effort. When he made mistakes, it was because he was trying to give 120% effort. IMO his teammates recognized this.

Let's appreciate the great 4 year run that Brock, Charlie, Chase, Colin, Enyi, Mike, Jake, O'Rien, Zach, etc. etc. provided for Cyclone football fans. The last 2 seasons haven't been the easiest due to Covid's impact on society. These guys will all be special Cyclones!!!!

 

[davegilbertson]

It seemed pretty clear to me he was trying to bat it away from anyone. Unfortunately it wasn't executed well.

Just like that TCU pick-6 - he was trying to throw it away rather than take the sack, but couldn't get enough on it (if he had, it was probably grounding).

Neither case is necessarily a bad decision, but both were executed as poorly as possible. People need to separate the decision from the outcome. Sometimes a good decisions don't go well and sometimes bad decisions work out anyway.

It seems like half of Brock's INTs came on tipped balls and it's hard to pin those all on him. Some, sure. But when a ball bounces off our open receiver's hands and right to a defender, that's not Brock's fault even though it goes against his stat line.

There's a bunch of things in here I don't disagree with that have nothing to do with the batted ball, nor the TCU interception/fumble. Both instances were trying to do more than what was advised (poor decision) with very detrimental outcomes (poor results)

I agree some of the uofi interceptions weren't on him.

I'll have to watch the play again, but I'm nearly 100% convinced last night was Brock trying to keep a play alive and hoping something great was the result.

I'm confident he could spike the ball into the ground if that was his intent.

 

[CyCloned]

The difference in the game is the batted ball INT TD. The fumble on last possession was an unfortunate, but unsurprising last note.

Still gratitude and thankfulness tip the scale for me.

Not sure what he was doing on the pick 6, but he was carrying the ball with one hand shortly before he got hit on the fumble. He should have just got down, but I also understand trying to make a play. In the end, if he hadn't fumbled, ISU would have had a first down somewhere around their own 30 with less than a minute left and no time outs. Would have been quite a feat to get a TD from there.

 

[WhoISthis]

Counter point. Can you cite a time Purdy did something similar that resulted in a positive outcome that fans will return to decades down the road?

He had the proclivity for outstanding play by maximum effort, they just rarely turned out positive.

I thought freshman Purdy had some. When he started to scramble I anticipated something good.

Senior Purdy…something closer to dread.

Maybe his own bloopers got to him, or the staff made him think too much, I don’t know. But the ball hasn’t been bouncing his way.

My opinion is it’s due to trying to make a game manager pocket passer out of him.

For example, the Iowa INTs are on the staff. He’s a short QB with very average feet in the pocket, doesn’t manipulate the defense, and can be transparent on throws. Better outside in scramble mode when looking over less of the field. Iowa’s DL for years has been well taught on getting hands up. Is there any doubt we’re going to have tipped passes with that combination? The bounces were bad luck, but it comes with exposure to tipped passes

 

[davegilbertson]

It seemed pretty clear to me he was trying to bat it away from anyone. Unfortunately it wasn't executed well.

Just like that TCU pick-6 - he was trying to throw it away rather than take the sack, but couldn't get enough on it (if he had, it was probably grounding).

Neither case is necessarily a bad decision, but both were executed as poorly as possible. People need to separate the decision from the outcome. Sometimes a good decisions don't go well and sometimes bad decisions work out anyway.

It seems like half of Brock's INTs came on tipped balls and it's hard to pin those all on him. Some, sure. But when a ball bounces off our open receiver's hands and right to a defender, that's not Brock's fault even though it goes against his stat line.

That does not look like the action of an athlete trying to bat the ball to the ground in any manner. It was a poor decision and an even worse outcome. It happens.

 

[jbhtexas]

Clemson-ISU yesterday...from earlier in this year, the OU, WVU, and BU games, the Big 12 championship game last year. What do they all have in common? ISU was behind with time running out, and ISU needed a TD to tie or win. There are very few QBs (like Rodgers and Brady) who can come through every time, and likewise, very few offenses that can come through every time. ISU's offense seems particularly inept in these situations with clock management and confusion on play calling.

This is a consequence of playing from behind. Be aggressive and get out front. The Fiesta Bowl last year was a nice departure, and I was hoping that this year's games would be more like that Fiesta Bowl, but other than the blowouts, ISU was more often than not playing from behind.

 

[cyatheart]

I love the binary nature of the Purdy discussion. Apparently you either have to be an unabashed supporter or a hater.

I appreciate the kid for all he's done and what he's stood for. He was a big reason behind the most successful run of football we've seen. He's represented the university and program with tremendous class and seems like a great young person.

As a football player I think he was hampered by playing enough that his flaws and tendencies were exploited by other teams/coaches. The book was out to pressure him and get him off his spot. I just have to question the quality of coaching he received because we seemed to see the same mistakes repeated over and over.

I also think he's a player who probably hit his ceiling early on due to his physical limitations. With being on the smaller side and not having a huge arm, he was able to be exploited a little more as his career went on.

In any event, a very good player, a huge part of our success and a great young person. Hope he has great success in his future.

This is right. In some ways, Brock played so much he was a victim of his own success at the tail end. I am kind of tired of people dragging him in the mud.

He came here based off nothing, 1000 miles away from home, did nothing but play his ass off and 90% of the time was damn good at it. Never got in trouble, never did anything wrong, was a good guy for my little boys to watch play here, and damn near won all the home games he played in. What the hell else do you want from the guy?

He never laid down despite injuries, never quit on anybody, kept us in every single game he played in, sometimes single handily despite being put in some really difficult and questionable situations.

He is a Cyclone legend and I will remember him very fondly. He will do well with whatever he chooses to do in life.

 

[besserheimerphat]

That does not look like the action of an athlete trying to bat the ball to the ground in any manner. It was a poor decision and an even worse outcome. It happens.

I said he was trying to bat it away from anyone, which is really what happens when a ball gets "batted down." And considering how many times he has gotten "picked" off a batted ball, trying to swat it away makes sense. Unfortunately there was a Clemson player close enough to get to it but that was the only player within 5 yards.

I think you'd said he was trying to bat it to a teammate. I can't imagine that was going through his head at that moment.

 

[WhoISthis]

Clemson-ISU yesterday...from earlier in this year, the OU, WVU, and BU games, the Big 12 championship game last year. What do they all have in common? ISU was behind with time running out, and ISU needed a TD to tie or win. There are very few QBs (like Rodgers and Brady) who can come through every time, and likewise, very few offenses that can come through every time. ISU's offense seems particularly inept in these situations with clock management and confusion on play calling.

This is a consequence of playing from behind. Be aggressive and get out front. The Fiesta Bowl last year was a nice departure, and I was hoping that this year's games would be more like that Fiesta Bowl, but other than the blowouts, ISU was more often than not playing from behind.

I'd like to think we'd sneak in one W in those games, oh well. Maybe if we had more practice at being aggressive instead of using UNI games as pillow fights?

But alas, I agree. And this is the problem with an offensive staff (and CMC) that scoreboard watch. We lack urgency in games, and in season. We have 5 seasons of playing "close' with nearly anyone, whether it be high scoring, low scoring, Drake/UNI, Clemson/OU/Ok St.

Being easy to defend is not ball control. Doing what you can do well enough to keep the ball or score is ball control. When we get behind, we do more of the latter. As we stumble thought September, we get urgency.

 

[Cyrealist]

Perhaps some posters should review the Fiesta Bowl tape: scrambling and passing!

There was another team on the field that didn't want us to win. From what I hear, that other team has a pretty good defense.

 

[WhoISthis]

I said he was trying to bat it away from anyone, which is really what happens when a ball gets "batted down." And considering how many times he has gotten "picked" off a batted ball, trying to swat it away makes sense. Unfortunately there was a Clemson player close enough to get to it but that was the only player within 5 yards.

I think you'd said he was trying to bat it to a teammate. I can't imagine that was going through his head at that moment.

Come on, we all see the tape. The only person he was "batting" it away from was himself.

The term is bat it down , rather than bat it away, or a reason. Even a JV kid would get chewed out for batting it up in that situation. And considering how may times he's been picked off on a tipped ball, he should be much more aware.

Good grief, that is incredibly bad to see from your senior QB.