What's Brock Purdys record in 1 possession games?

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I'd like to think we'd sneak in one W in those games, oh well. Maybe if we had more practice at being aggressive instead of using UNI games as pillow fights?

But alas, I agree. And this is the problem with an offensive staff (and CMC) that scoreboard watch. We lack urgency in games, and in season. We have 5 seasons of playing "close' with nearly anyone, whether it be high scoring, low scoring, Drake/UNI, Clemson/OU/Ok St.

Being easy to defend is not ball control. Doing what you can do well enough to keep the ball or score is ball control. When we get behind, we do more of the latter. As we stumble thought September, we get urgency.
Unless you are a professional athlete or a Navy Seal, who train and train for pressure situations, or one of those few people whose DNA is just plain written to handle pressure, most of us are more prone to make mistakes under pressure. Even pro athletes "choke". When you are always playing from behind, you are always under that pressure, and your opponent never is. It doesn't surprise me that ISU's offense makes a lot of mistakes at crucial times in tight games, because they are so many times in "really need to score here" situations . The players are college kids, not Navy Seals.

Go out and be aggressive on offesne early in the game, when there is plenty of time to recover from a mistake.
 

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There was another team on the field that didn't want us to win. From what I hear, that other team has a pretty good defense.
Is this a UNI bump?
How many times does a "batted down" pass actually go towards the ground? It usually goes sideways, away from the group of people trying to catch it. 99.9% of the time that ball falls to the ground. **** happens.
By a 4 year starting P5 player? Nearly all the time. This is football 101. And when they don't they get chewed out and criticized for making bone-headed plays.

Stop. We have the tape. The only person there to catch it was Purdy. He batted it up and forwarded. I've never seen a college "bat down" a ball like that. Likely intentionally, but even if not, just horrible execution of something you expect high school kids to do.
 

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Unless you are a professional athlete or a Navy Seal, who train and train for pressure situations, or one of those few people whose DNA is just plain written to handle pressure, most of us are more prone to make mistakes under pressure. Even pro athletes "choke". When you are always playing from behind, you are always under that pressure, and your opponent never is. It doesn't surprise me that ISU's offense makes a lot of mistakes at crucial times in tight games, because they are so many times in "really need to score here" situations . The players are college kids, not Navy Seals.
Okay, now this seems like hyperbole. And these guys better be training for pressure situations. This is P5 football. Also, the opponent is also under pressure. To say they never are is blatantly false. We can argue whether it is more or less, but when it is a one score game, the don't choke factor is very present on both sides.

We're bad in details throughout the game, not just the end. That's often why we're behind. Also, risk/reward tolerance of the offense increases in those moments, while the defense risk goes down. There should be less mistakes by the defense- little to do with "pressure" inequality.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Doesn't the clock stop on a slide/first down?

Either way ball security issues on the scramble were always an issue and that was no exception.

I would wager a lot of money that I will never again see a QB scramble for the first, attempt to extend the play when 4 yards beyond the line to gain, only to fumble and recover back behind the original LOS to turn it over.
Stops until the ball gets spotted. We had receivers downfield so they would need to run back or we substitute and let Clemson take their time substituting. Looking at 7-10 seconds probably.
 

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Okay, now this seems like hyperbole. And these guys better be training for pressure situations. This is P5 football. Also, the opponent is also under pressure. To say they never are is blatantly false. We can argue whether it is more or less, but when it is a one score game, the don't choke factor is very present on both sides.

We're bad in details throughout the game, not just the end. That's often why we're behind. Also, risk/reward tolerance of the offense increases in those moments, while the defense risk goes down. There should be less mistakes by the defense- little to do with "pressure" inequality.

I'm sure the college kids are training for pressure situations, but they have limited time to devote to that training. Supposedly, they are also doing classwork and working towards a degree. Pro athletes are training full-time...its their job. And some of them do it for years.

The way ISU's games seem to often end up, ISU's offense should be spending quite a bit of time practicing 2-minute offense. Do they do that? I don't know.

Relative to ISU's offense, I don't think ISU's defense makes a lot of mistakes. I don't disagree that the offense struggles with details throughout the game. But there seems to be an expectation that an offense can just turn off the mistakes after falling behind and come up with game-saving drives game after game.

I would have loved to see Clemson's "they don't let me throw downfield" QB trying to make up a 14-point deficit (or even a 7-point deficit) against ISU's defense. But, he never really had to make any "pressure" plays because he was playing from 3, 2, and 1-posession leads for most of the second half.
 
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Because hes 2-5 this year. Cant imagine any season other than last looks great either

Before you start a thread to anonymously criticize someone who has given absolutely everything to his team and his coaches, I recommend you go look in the mirror. Better yet, click on your user name look at your own reaction score to your posts.
 

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I'm sure the college kids are training for pressure situations, but they have limited time to devote to that training. Supposedly, they are also doing classwork and working towards a degree. Pro athletes are training full-time...its their job. And some of them do it for years.

The way ISU's games seem to often end up, ISU's offense should be spending quite a bit of time practicing 2-minute offense. Do they do that? I don't know.

Relative to ISU's offense, I don't think ISU's defense makes a lot of mistakes. I don't disagree that the offense struggles with details throughout the game. But there seems to be an expectation that an offense can just turn off the mistakes off after falling behind and come up with game-saving drives game after game.

I would have loved to see Clemson's "they don't let me throw downfield" QB trying to make up a 14-point deficit (or even a 7-point deficit) against ISU's defense. But, he never really had to make any "pressure" plays because he was playing from 3, 2, and 1-posessions leads for most of the second half.
Well, no doubt it is best to be ahead 7 or more in those situations helps. Up 6 or less is different. If you're up by 6 with little time left, there is just as much pressure on the defense. So I still don't see pressure delta coming into play. But even up 7, guys choke in those moments, from the "don't screw up" pressure. When up three, is there no pressure on a FT shooter to put them up 4?


What is our TD per possession rate? A 40% 3P shooter is pretty good. But I would not want to be down 3 and having them shoot with little time left regardless of pressure- it is a bad spot to be in. And relatively speaking, our offense is more like a 34% shooter imo.

That batted ball INT came when 13-6 midway through the 3rd. When that's happening, it is hard to see mistakes later being due to pressure. Purdy just makes mistakes.
 

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In the grand scheme of things, compare Purdy to QB’s of the past. All-in-all, I take him. I am frustrated with his mistakes in crucial situations, but I blame that on coaching. We have been in these situations before this year and consistently had the same, poor outcome. Coaching!
 
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Well, no doubt it is best to be ahead 7 or more in those situations helps. Up 6 or less is different. If you're up by 6 with little time left, there is just as much pressure on the defense. So I still don't see pressure delta coming into play. But even up 7, guys choke in those moments, from the "don't screw up" pressure. When up three, is there no pressure on a FT shooter to put them up 4?


What is our TD per possession rate? A 40% 3P shooter is pretty good. But I would not want to be down 3 and having them shoot with little time left regardless of pressure- it is a bad spot to be in. And relatively speaking, our offense is more like a 34% shooter imo.

That batted ball INT came when 13-6 midway through the 3rd. When that's happening, it is hard to see mistakes later being due to pressure. Purdy just makes mistakes.
Can't say for sure on TDs vs FGs, but our offensive points per drive (adjusted for "garbage time," which doesn't effect us but can effect other teams) was 2.83 which put us as the 25th most efficient offense this year. For comparison, the #1 team Ohio State scored 4.01 OPPD and the median was 2.22 OPPD. Our Net PPD (Offensive PPD - Defensive PPD) was ranked 16th at 0.99. The #1 NPPD team was Georgia at 2.86, and the median was 0.11.

 

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Other interesting notes from that link - while our actual OPPD decreased as starting field position got further from the endzone, our RATING got better. We were #17 (2.50) with a long field, #28 (2.62) on a medium field, and #34 (4.05) on a short field.

Defensively we were #28 overall, #5 (0.41) on a long field, #59 (1.98) on a medium field, and #15 (2.61) on a short field.
 

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Purdy has flaws…..don’t we all. OL is 6’4”+ and he isn’t. Accurate arm but not particularly strong over 20 yards. On average, he would take one look down field and then start moving around and most of the time it ended up good. But he had a bad habit of a turnover at crucial times. Great career, team went from 0 cred to respect under his guidance. In hindsight, the preseason ranking was not justified, it’s not all on him. NFL prospect? Doubtful as NFL edge rushers would be on him quicker than the P5 talent. Great kid at the right time and we were lucky to have him.
 

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Sometimes a good decisions don't go well and sometimes bad decisions work out anyway.

For example, Clemson QBs horrible decision to throw a fluttering pass that should have been picked off, but ends up as a completion for a 1st down.

Stops until the ball gets spotted. We had receivers downfield so they would need to run back or we substitute and let Clemson take their time substituting. Looking at 7-10 seconds probably.

The Cyclones have used this strategy a couple times this season, and I think it was used again yesterday, but the refs stopped the clock toward the end of the 1st half when it should've kept running. Heacock was talking to them at half, I assumed about that ruling.
 
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For example, Clemson QBs horrible decision to throw a fluttering pass that should have been picked off, but ends up as a completion for a 1st down.



The Cyclones have used this strategy a couple times this season, and I think it was used again yesterday, but the refs stopped the clock toward the end of the 1st half when it should've kept running. Heacock was talking to them at half, I assumed about that ruling.
The Fightin' Gundys did it to us (and others) this year. Milk the substitution time to run down at least the play clock, so you have less time to motion around the offense. For an offense like ours that motions and realigns a lot, it can cause problems.
 

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we literally have the anti hurry up offense. It’s brutal. Has to be the worst 2 minute drill I’ve seen

To me the overall tempo of the offense is really bad.

Not like tempo like hurry up or whatever, just rhythm of getting the play in, or knowing the play, getting up to the line and running it. Just never crisp.

It's like they're trying to intentionally slow it down to disrupt the game like when B12 offenses were full time hurry up but it's not needed any more.
 

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Before you start a thread to anonymously criticize someone who has given absolutely everything to his team and his coaches, I recommend you go look in the mirror. Better yet, click on your user name look at your own reaction score to your posts.
Ah, the old "I have nothing to add to the convo but I don't like it so I'm gonna accuse someone of being a bad person" argument. If you have anything real to add to the conversation please do.
 

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Ah, the old "I have nothing to add to the convo but I don't like it so I'm gonna accuse someone of being a bad person" argument. If you have anything real to add to the conversation please do.

Brock Purdy is a young man who, over the last 4 years, has given everything he's got to his team and his university, breaking every ISU QB record that exists and taking the Cyclones to unprecedented heights. And on the night he suffers a disappointing end to his amazing career, you decide to anonymously pile on.

In spite of what you think his shortcomings might be, he also has an abundance of character. You could benefit by taking note of that.

Hope that's real enough for you.
 

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