What's ISU's Skeleton in the Closet?

ISUCubswin

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Did a Hok fan start this thread? Many more examples of Hok disasters.
Hawk disasters are pretty easily identifiable for me. Iowa State having Hawk level mistakes are less frequent, so I was curious what else was out there. I’ve already learned quite a bit!
 

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Yeah when I heard from some older guys about that tinsley story my jaw dropped. I wasn’t in school until 06 so he was basically a hero to me up until that.

I was at ISU 98-02, I remember walking home from class 1 day and Marcus Fizer was chasing after what I assume was his girlfriend at the time and shouting "don't run from me baby! let's talk" Not something you expected to randomly see LOL.

I got to meet Richard Evans several years after we both were done at ISU and he had some very interesting stories to share including that Fizer and Tinsley apparently were not great teammates and kind of did their own things separate from the rest of the team that for the most part got along well off the court and hung out together. Got to hear all about Larry's mess too and how his drinking problems were well known to anyone remotely close to the BB program. Sounded like he enjoyed playing for Larry but he wasn't surprised his personal issues eventually got him in trouble as he apparently Larry would visit certain Ames establishments before going to practice. Even told me that Diet Coke he had under his chair he wondered if it it was spiked with something at practice.
 
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LOL, I had a friend that had Kelvin Cato in one of his classes and he said he seriously wondered if he knew how to read. Remember the days when we had to worry about guys being academically eligible to play? It never seems to happen anymore for some reason but around that time we had several players on the BB team that had issues with it.
The Time magazine article about Lafester Rhodes didn't shed a great light on ISU.
 

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You realize Mac was hired 25+ years ago. Info wasn't as readily available.

It was a black eye at the time. But the firestorm was pretty short lived. And obviously ISU was satisfied with Mac & spouse explanation.

People make mistakes. Obviously ISU made a great decision to give McCarney the job. He's been outstanding representative of ISU.

Also, people tend to forget he was coach at Wisky when it happened. Did they take action?
The odd part on that was, while Gene Smith said he accepted the explanation and situation, he still cut Dan's salary by 100k. I didn't fully understand the thought that if there was nothing there really, why are you still punishing the hire?
 

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What about Monte getting included in that Yahoo sports report for impermissible benefits for...an agent buying him lunch at the CP3 camp.

It was ridiculous at the time, and even more so in the NIL era.
 

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It was fun and fine and a good way to bring families to campus until people become too stupid to use any common sense and personal responsibility. Catching a buzz, getting drunk, is one thing destroying stuff is just stupid.
A high amount of issues (stabbings and such) when I was in school during the early 90s was caused by non students that came to party. Even the riots I was around, riot doesn't really fit the situation. One of them was caused by stupid police decisions.
 
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Those #'s seem quaint by today's standards.
LR was one of Johnny's favorite players. I remember Johnny saying he would get a call every year from him asking him for a new pair of shoes. JO didn't understand why he needed Johnny to give him a pair but he always did. Johnny said he also asked LR if he got his mom out of that **** shack, and LaFester told him, yes coach I bought her a house. There didn't seem to be much animosity there from the way Johnny talked and this was well after the article.
 
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I'll still raise you the Eustachy photos partying with college co-eds. BVD and the Athletic department knew of it WELL in advance of the DMR breaking the story yet chose not to do anything about it and let us becoming the laughing stock of the news cycle instead. Anyone around the BB program at the time knew Larry had problems and many even witnessed them in person at some Ames establishments or knew what he was up to when away from the team. But they turned a blind eye to it because we were winning and the AD had every chance to get out in front of the story and be the ones to limit the damage by driving the narrative but Bruce just let them run with it. If that had happened now there probably would be videos of it as it happened on social media but Bruce was basically hand fed that this story was coming out WEEKS before it did including seeing the photos which would never happen now and he still botched the handling of it.

Not saying the the story that came out out Mac was nothing to take lightly at the time it happened but it got nowhere near the national attention that Larry's mess did. And I am still a very vocal Larry supporter to this day and felt we had a path to do damage control on that one and possibly still retain him as coach but our idiot AD at the time allowed that to become a circus where we had no choice but to fire him after the attention it got.

Bruce was an embarrassment himself about how piss poor he ran things and had no vision like Pollard has for growing ISU Athletics. A friend in college shared with me a story of a run in he had with Bruce while watching a soccer game. Apparently his wife and kids were sitting a few rows in front of them and when Bruce showed up she said something to him and pointed back at them. He talked to them and scolded them for apparently talking bad of him in front of his family. Well the funny thing is they never were talking about him at all and didn't know it was his family in front of them so they told him they don't know what he was talking about and maybe if everyone didn't hate him so much maybe they wouldn't be so paranoid to think they were. He then asked them what they meant by that like he had no clue people didn't like him which they laughed and rattled off a bunch of things like him cutting baseball, firing Larry, and various other failures he had why maybe people didn't like him.
Good post....yeah, it's difficult to compare "now vs then" as variables would be so different (literally photos would be real time on social media of anything like this now.


But you nailed it......BVD had to have known what was going on and should have intervened before it even happened.....he could have said "Sorry, Larry, but you are not traveling alone....and the expectations of behavior are ........" and obviously could have also offered support for underlying issues/concerns/addictions.