WOI video shows the shot should count

[jdoggivjc]

sound travels slower than light. duh.

That might mean something with a jet flying overhead or lightning striking, but "sound travels slower than light" argument is meaningless in an arena like the Well. Not nearly enough of a distance for there to be a distinguishable difference, unless the clock, the clock, backboard light, and horn aren't in sync to begin with...

 

[CYEATHAWK]

You know..........the opposing coach said "we don't have a rear view mirror on this baby"..........so why do we? I don't think I have ever witnessed a fanbase so willing to discredit a split second decision that went their way! Why are there so many people it seems trying their best to assuage some guilt...knowing darn well had it gone the other way they would be first to scream from the mountaintops on how we were jobbed?! This isn't the first or the last time a game...right or wrong...will be decided by a split second decision. It's over..........let it go!



And speaking of this opposing coach not having a "rear view mirror".........he must have worn it out during his tenure at Ames. But that is for another thread at another time.

 

[jbhtexas]

Should anybody care about what the rules say...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Art. 2. Each period shall end when the red light or LED lights have become activated. When the light fails to operate or is not visible, each period shall end with the sounding of the game-clock horn.
a. In games when the red light is not present, the game-clock horn shall terminate players’ activity.
b. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.
Art. 3. Each period shall end when time expires except that:
a. When the ball is in flight during a try, the period shall end when the try ends.
b. When a held ball or violation occurs so near the expiration of time that the game clock is not stopped before time expires, the period shall end with the held ball or violation.
c. When a foul occurs so near the expiration of time that the official timer cannot stop the game clock before time expires or when the foul occurs after time expires but while the ball is in flight during a try, the period shall end when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed.
92 RULE 5 / SCORING AND TIMING REGULATIONS
1. After the red light or LED lights have been activated to end a game, or after the game-clock horn sounds, when the red light or LED lights are not present, only those free throw(s) necessary to determine a winner or whether an extra period is necessary shall be awarded.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's obviously good, and what a heart warming story to have a one handed college player make the final shot like that.

(Que Matt P to offer evidence to refute this)

 

[cjclone]

Last night KCRG showed the shot from the front. Both of JVB hands were on the ball when the light was on the backboard behind him. In real time the horn sounded after it left his hands. They showed it several times. The refs called it good and that is all there is to it.

 

[greatshu]

If Scotty made couple free throws, it was our game anyways!!!

 

[Boxerdaddy]

Don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's obviously good, and what a heart warming story to have a one handed college player make the final shot like that.

(Que Matt P to offer evidence to refute this)

That is funny. Nice work.

 

[Stormin]

I thought JVB looked like Christian Laettner on that shot. What a play. As close as that one was, there was NO WAY the Refs were not going to count that shot. When you have to break it down frame by frame, that is godawful close. The horn sounds after the ball leaves JVB's hands IMO. But the picture shows the light coming on a millisecond before it leaves JVB's hand.

Anyway, the ruling on the court stands. Basket is GOOD.

 

[Rural]

Yeah, if we get called back to Des Moines to play overtime, someone give me a heads up.

 

[sly]

Here's the actual rule and NCAA rule book on game ending shots
Twitter

 

[cyclonestate]

The refs are quoted in today's DM Register that they were going by the sound of the horn because they could not afford to take their eyes off the players. The video PROVES the horn did not sound until after the ball left JVB's hands. The refs made the correct call. Game over. Move on .

 

[CycloneYoda]

I'm not 100% convinced that ball even left his hand before the horn.

This play was equivalent to an umpire making a call during a really close play at first base. It is their judgement call. I'm not saying they refs made a mistake, for they have only a split second in REAL TIME to decide. If they said it counted, it counted.

 

[cyclonestate]

I'm not 100% convinced that ball even left his hand before the horn.

This play was equivalent to an umpire making a call during a really close play at first base. It is their judgement call. I'm not saying they refs made a mistake, for they have only a split second in REAL TIME to decide. If they said it counted, it counted.

Both the WOI sand WHO videos clearly show the horn did not sound until after the ball was released. I watched both videos several times. The refs agreed.

 

[CycloneYoda]

Both the WOI sand WHO videos clearly show the horn did not sound until after the ball was released. I watched both videos several times. The refs agreed.

I watched the same videos you have over and over also. It goes down to a judgement call, for it is that close. If they would have waived it off and went to OT, I would not be the guy screaming "THAT WAS GOOD!!!" on a message board. It could have gone either way, and the refs made their call. Whatever call they would have made would have been the right call. I'm just happy the right call went our way.

 

[isuforlife]

Game over ..............we win!! end of story

 

[Cyrocks]

well, the horn is as irrelevant as the light around the backboard. The only thing that counts is the clock saying 0.0. And even that is irrelevant as we won the game. Also, ever heard of light being faster than sound??

Actually you are really, really, really wrong. Ask any official and they say they don't watch the clock or the "lighted" backboard. They can't watch the clock and the player at the same time. They go by the buzzer or horn sounding.

You are wrong.

 

[wonkadog]

Actually you are really, really, really wrong. Ask any official and they say they don't watch the clock or the "lighted" backboard. They can't watch the clock and the player at the same time. They go by the buzzer or horn sounding.

You are wrong.

No, he's right...theoretically the lighted backboard and horn do not matter, only the clock showing 0.0. You're arguing what the officials have to go by on the court which at times is probably the sound of the horn. I try to get in a position to see the clock and player shooting at the same time when I'm reffing, but maybe that's why I can only get JH girls games.

 

[terryleebr]

The clock is reading 0.00 with the ball still in hands.

Now I am getting suspicious. Anyone else notice the dark figure on the grassy knoll just below and to the left of the clock?

 

[Cyclone3944]

well, the horn is as irrelevant as the light around the backboard. The only thing that counts is the clock saying 0.0. And even that is irrelevant as we won the game. Also, ever heard of light being faster than sound??

Well the horn is not irrelevant because that is what the officials are listening for. Would you rather have the officials looking for the light on the backboard or watching the players for fouls. That is why they have the horn to signal the end of the half or game and all time outs.

 

[Cyclone3944]

Actually you are really, really, really wrong. Ask any official and they say they don't watch the clock or the "lighted" backboard. They can't watch the clock and the player at the same time. They go by the buzzer or horn sounding.

You are wrong.

Ditto, You are correct, those who have not walked in an officials shoes just do not understand the game through their eyes.