You actually think post behavior is linear when a non-ISU fan posts malice towards ISU on an ISU site? Of the Jon Miller Should Be... thread, around 33% were non-ISU fans, so given aforementioned nature, if you eliminate the obsessive behavior of the Hawk fans, and there would be little discussion. I guarantee, if the number of NU trolls equaled the number of Iowa trolls, you would see such action. Heck, look at what one or two Baylor fans can do.
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I want to keep it.. then we won't be able to make fun of all the hawks for there crimes on frontpage.
bad idea to take it off.... i think
bad idea to take it off.... i think
ISU ending the Iowa game IS moronic. One game each year gets pretty close to sold out. Iowa in odd years, Nebraska in even years. Please explain to me exactly what opponent will generate more $$$$ (the important thing in athletics) than Iowa. Guess what, if we can't beat Iowa, we can't win in the Big XII. Iowa is a very good program, whether you like to admit it or not. If we can't beat Iowa, we aren't going to win many Big XII teams because they'd be arguably the best team in the North recently. Guess what also, in the 70s, we didn't have to contend with the likes of Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Texas A&M.
I can see the money issue, but the ability of Iowa to determine the likelihood for success in the Big 12 has no bearing imo. If anything, if losing to team X means you will do poorly the rest of the season, you should not play team X, as you will need all the wins you can get. Not having to compete with UT, A$M, and TT is another reason dropping the annual nature of the game would be good. Besides money, there is not a lot to be gained. How much of a difference is the extra cash against Iowa than a TCU?
I guess the decision to be made is who brings more hits to the site, ISU fans wanting to read about ISU or Hawk trolls and those that like to feed them (yes, I've fed my share)? It would be nice if we could filter our own front page content but it doesn't sound like that is an option at the moment. The current situation is off-putting enough that I have decreased my visits to the site, I'm guessing others are in the same boat.
As an ISU fan I'd much rather read about ISU related items and not have to redirect to the individual ISU categories because the front page is loaded with Hawk threads.
As an ISU fan I'd much rather read about ISU related items and not have to redirect to the individual ISU categories because the front page is loaded with Hawk threads.
Iowa is a very good opponent. If we can't beat Iowa, we aren't going to touch OU, Texas, Texas Tech, etc. If we can beat Iowa, we should have the horses to hang with and beat Missouri, Kansas, etc. We play 3 cupcake games every year, having a worthy opponent isn't a bad idea by any means, especially when that opponent is in-state and gives your fans a chance to travel to a game on the road every other year.
Are you trying to say beating Iowa (a Big 10 opponent) is the same as beating TCU (Mountain West?)? I'd actually love to see us get to the point we don't have to play any of those teams 1 for 1 and we play all of those games at home or at worst 2 for 1.
First, my primary concern is not about the difficulty (or lack there of) of the Iowa game. However like you said, we already play OU, TT, UT, etc; no need to consistently have another BCS team on the schedule.
Again, stating that if you cannot beat team x, you will not beat teams y & z, has nothing to do with if you should play team x. If anything, it means that you should not play team x, given you would already have probable losses on the schedule. If you cannot beat UNI, you won't win any Big 12 games, does that mean you should always play UNI?
If you are worried about being a Paper Tiger, I would suggest you ask KU fans how they feel about the Orange Bowl.
So if we schedule a bunch of scrubs, people get ****** we're scheduling scrubs and teams they don't care to watch. If we schedule a few decent teams (we have freaking murderers row in the next couple years) people get ****** because we don't have as good of a shot to win. 
Until we give people a reason to care about Iowa State again, we will play second fiddle to Iowa in football. We end the series, we never get any respect in this state. We start winning the Iowa game and winning Big XII games, we're going to start getting respected. We win the Iowa game and lose the rest, we're on the front page of the paper once all year. We lose the Iowa game and win the Big XII games, we're still second fiddle to Iowa because we lost to 'em.
Until we give people a reason to care about Iowa State again, we will play second fiddle to Iowa in football. We end the series, we never get any respect in this state. We start winning the Iowa game and winning Big XII games, we're going to start getting respected. We win the Iowa game and lose the rest, we're on the front page of the paper once all year. We lose the Iowa game and win the Big XII games, we're still second fiddle to Iowa because we lost to 'em.
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So if we schedule a bunch of scrubs, people get ****** we're scheduling scrubs and teams they don't care to watch. If we schedule a few decent teams (we have freaking murderers row in the next couple years) people get ****** because we don't have as good of a shot to win.
You're starting to figure this whole thing out.:smile:
That is quite the generalization and false dichotomy. I will provide my own bifurcation. Which would you rather have: a few lame fans complaining about the schedule as ISU plays in the Orange Bowl or all of Cyclone Nation complaining when ISU is a couple wins short of a bowl game?So if we schedule a bunch of scrubs, people get ****** we're scheduling scrubs and teams they don't care to watch. If we schedule a few decent teams (we have freaking murderers row in the next couple years) people get ****** because we don't have as good of a shot to win.
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So if we schedule a bunch of scrubs, people get ****** we're scheduling scrubs and teams they don't care to watch. If we schedule a few decent teams (we have freaking murderers row in the next couple years) people get ****** because we don't have as good of a shot to win.
Until we give people a reason to care about Iowa State again, we will play second fiddle to Iowa in football. We end the series, we never get any respect in this state. We start winning the Iowa game and winning Big XII games, we're going to start getting respected. We win the Iowa game and lose the rest, we're on the front page of the paper once all year. We lose the Iowa game and win the Big XII games, we're still second fiddle to Iowa because we lost to 'em.
I'm assuming that your second paragraph is the edit. But I can guarantee that if we swept the Big 12, and lost to Iowa, we would NOT be a second fiddle. Unless Iowa also won the Big Ten, that is.
There have been several times that I've been fed up with the hawk prattle on this site and considered not visiting it again.
Yes... I think your idea is horrible. While we are at it let's just drop out of the Big XII and join the MAC. Then we can win a few more games a year, maybe a conference title every 2 to 3 years and we can celebrate going to the Motor City Bowl. Oh joy.... I think the Iowa game is a great game to play non conference. Obviously we are in close proximity, it is a game that brings in money, it raises the excitement level for not only the fanbase but the players as well, and it gives us typically national and at minimum regional exposure to potential recruits.
Eliminating the Iowa series would be a disaster. I am glad that you are at least pushing forward the loser mentality that has plagued the ISU fanbase for such a long time. That is exactly the attitude that the fanbase needs.
I don't think it should be an "opt-in" as it is a big part of the forums, but I would like it off the front page.
And I know this won't be popular, but in general it isn't the Hawk fans starting a lot of these threads. The main Hawk fans on here (I can think of 3) usually are into good-natured ribbing and aren't bad at all. I wish all Hawk fans were that nice.
And I know this won't be popular, but in general it isn't the Hawk fans starting a lot of these threads. The main Hawk fans on here (I can think of 3) usually are into good-natured ribbing and aren't bad at all. I wish all Hawk fans were that nice.
I'd be a fan of having individually customizable front pages. The default could be only ISU-related topics. Unlike the politics and gaming forums, I don't think I would ever see anything from the in-state rivals forum if it were not on the front page.
Yes... I think your idea is horrible. While we are at it let's just drop out of the Big XII and join the MAC. Then we can win a few more games a year, maybe a conference title every 2 to 3 years and we can celebrate going to the Motor City Bowl. Oh joy.... I think the Iowa game is a great game to play non conference. Obviously we are in close proximity, it is a game that brings in money, it raises the excitement level for not only the fanbase but the players as well, and it gives us typically national and at minimum regional exposure to potential recruits.
Eliminating the Iowa series would be a disaster. I am glad that you are at least pushing forward the loser mentality that has plagued the ISU fanbase for such a long time. That is exactly the attitude that the fanbase needs.
Why would this be a disaster? So Johnny Majors and Earle Bruce had a loser mentality?
Your comment about joining the MAC is totally nonsensical. Not playing Iowa and replacing them on the schedule with a different BCS school has no bearing on ISU's performance in the B12.
So if we schedule a bunch of scrubs, people get ****** we're scheduling scrubs and teams they don't care to watch. If we schedule a few decent teams (we have freaking murderers row in the next couple years) people get ****** because we don't have as good of a shot to win.
Until we give people a reason to care about Iowa State again, we will play second fiddle to Iowa in football. We end the series, we never get any respect in this state. We start winning the Iowa game and winning Big XII games, we're going to start getting respected. We win the Iowa game and lose the rest, we're on the front page of the paper once all year. We lose the Iowa game and win the Big XII games, we're still second fiddle to Iowa because we lost to 'em.
I disagree, and I'm willing to bet I'm not the only person that holds that opinion. With enough sustained success in the Big 12, the Iowa game (win or lose) will more or less relavent every year.
ISU has ended up second fiddle to Iowa in the years they have lost that game because they generally have had bad seasons. The exception was 2004. If ISU lost to Iowa but still went on and *hyperbole alert* ended up winning the division, there isn't a chance in hell they would be second fiddle, no matter what Iowa does.
Fans on both sides like to ***** about the coverage each teams get in the Register, but I think they cover each team fairly evenly.
