RECRUITING: Post Morrow visit update

[clonedude]

What difference does getting Morrow have on this coming season?

None for this year, but if we want to add him for the following year we have to land him now. We were never going to add 4 guys for this year, Prohm wants to even the classes out more. It was always probably going to be a situation where we get 2 guys that have to sit, and 2 that can help out right away.

 

[CyForPresident]

They missed out on high school guys too. Some of you think recruiting is like going to the grocery store.

We won't land everybody but if we don't play the game we'll suck regardless.

I understand perfectly how recruiting works, but this is the second year in a row of bad transfer recruiting.

 

[isutrevman]

It's as much competition as the high school guys. That's a weak excuse.

Wigginton maybe, the other guys, not even close.

 

[Incyte]

I understand perfectly how recruiting works, but this is the second year in a row of bad transfer recruiting.

I really dont think you do.

 

[CycloneBBFan]

Shayok is the only transfer and that's what I'm talking about. The staff has been pretty terrible at transfer recruiting. That's really not debatable

ISU has some pretty damn good players in the pipeline. Have you ever considered that some of these transfers are afraid they won't be able to get all the minutes they desire??

 

[CyForPresident]

I really dont think you do.

Great.

 

[bozclone]

2018 is the important year in my mind. I am all in on Morrow. If we can land Morrow, I will fill that we are sitting pretty well for 2018. Any grad transfers for 2017 are just hired guns to try and get us a few extra wins. I am ok with adding them, but our young guys and their development is what is most important next year.

 

[isucy86]

Kasongo played spot minutes at Tennessee when Jacobsen was starting at Nebraska. I think the difference between the two is significant, and I'd be surprised if Jacobsen didn't have multiple high-major options.

With this springs recruiting class, IMO the coaching staff is trying to fill position needs, but also try to keep 3 scholarships available for next falls recruiting class. Based on internet reports they have put in a lot of time with guys like Thompson, Green, etc to only have 1 or 2 scholarships available next fall.

The coaches are working through a pecking order of non-grad transfers at PF: 1) Juiston 2) Morrow 3) Secret JUCO 4) Jacobson (?)/etc.


IMO if Beverly wants to come to ISU, he's got a scholarship. If Brown doesn't come to ISU, then I could see us banking a scholarship. If we do bring in 3 Jr. Eligible Transfer this spring, then I think the staff has a plan for someone like Kosango (graduates next spring) or Jakolby.

 

[acgclone]

2018 is the important year in my mind. I am all in on Morrow. If we can land Morrow, I will fill that we are sitting pretty well for 2018. Any grad transfers for 2017 are just hired guns to try and get us a few extra wins. I am ok with adding them, but our young guys and their development is what is most important next year.

Definitely 2018 is an important year.

I do hope we can grab two grad transfers that will help us next year though. I think it would be important for the younger guys to get a taste of winning and playing relevant ball in March.

I'm not going to assume we have a Sweet 16 caliber team, but if we can just sneak into the tourney, it could really pay dividends for Lard, Lewis, McNeill, and Wigginton the following year.

 

[clonedude]

2018 is the important year in my mind. I am all in on Morrow. If we can land Morrow, I will fill that we are sitting pretty well for 2018. Any grad transfers for 2017 are just hired guns to try and get us a few extra wins. I am ok with adding them, but our young guys and their development is what is most important next year.

I agree with this for the most part. When Fred quit recruiting for nearly a whole year, we were due for a rebuilding year somewhere along the line unless Prohm got really fortunate and landed all the top transfers he wanted, which wasn't likely.

We can't be too upset if we have one rebuilding year with what Fred left.

 

[isutrevman]

So not being able to get a kid on campus for a visit isn't considered a miss? That's part of the recruiting job, getting them on campus.

I don't fault the coaches when a kid like Egor makes a quick decision to commit to a school he just visited. What was Prohm supposed to do there? We are talking about the top 8-10 most highly coveted transfers here with like 15 or more schools contacting all of them. Those odds were never going to be good. Hell, even if you get a visit, you're likely competing with 3-4 other schools that have just as much to offer as Iowa State. Most of these transfers are going places they have connections to. We don't have any previous connections that I'm aware of. That makes it hard to get your foot in the door.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I understand perfectly how recruiting works, but this is the second year in a row of bad transfer recruiting.

Unfortunately it looks like that could be the case. It's getting late, but hopefully they can pull in some immediate help.

It's tough, but that doesn't change that's what needed if we're to be a consistent program. We'll almost always have holes to fill for the upcoming year.

 

[I-stateTheTruth]

I think Jacobsen would be a great off the bench guy but it's his intangibles beyond abilities is why I like him. Hard working with a positive attitude can be very infectious for the rest of the team. I'd much rather have him over most Jucos. He's a solid known that hasn't begun to tap his own potential......and he's big. We've got plenty of schollys and will have more next year to fill the gaps IMO.

Pretty good atmosphere at the Huskers game.

 

[madguy30]

Pretty good atmosphere at the Huskers game.

I think their basketball is similar to ISU football...most everything looks great except the final game/season result.

 

[jsb]

I agree with this for the most part. When Fred quit recruiting for nearly a whole year, we were due for a rebuilding year somewhere along the line unless Prohm got really fortunate and landed all the top transfers he wanted, which wasn't likely.

We can't be too upset if we have one rebuilding year with what Fred left.

Fred really quit recruiting for 2 years. He didn't recruit any impact or role freshman after Monte and Matt. That is tough to recover from.

I also think people kind of forget that we really only had 1 really, really good grad transfer under Fred---Kane. Kane was just so good that it is easy to assume we had one every year. Bryce was slightly more impactful than Bowie, but he wasn't a game changer for many reasons. I also think we over estimate the traditional transfers we had after Lucious and Clyburn.

I have no idea how the team will be next year, but a rebuilding year wouldn't be a disaster or disappointing.

 

[CloneFan4]

Did deep. I think you can get back to your mid season Prohm hating form.

Oh yes any one that is concerned with our lack of recruiting success the past two springs is wrong and a hater.

 

[IASTATE07]

Oh yes any one that is concerned with our lack of recruiting success the past two springs is wrong and a hater.

Don't let it stew. Just let it out and everything will be ok.

 

[Cynonymous]

The transfer market has far higher competition than high school recruiting these days. There aren't too many top level transfers even with inflated transfer numbers. Those proven transfers are highly sought after now that the taboo has been broken. Iowa State is still far ahead of many schools with respect to transfer recruiting. Sure we don't get everyone we want or even close to that but its disingenuous to say it's terrible when compared to most major conference teams. High quality grad transfer is nearly unicorn status so I find it silly folks get so exasperated when we don't land one that fits a need. That's not to say there aren't some value grad transfers available, but they may not raise the excitement meter even if they can still help the team.

 

[isucy86]

It's as much competition as the high school guys. That's a weak excuse.

Its not a weak excuse, with HS recruits a coaching staff in most cases has a year or more to develop a relationship with a kid and family. Spring transfer recruiting is a meat-market- glitz wins out. If you are 18-20 years old and spend 2 days in Ames or 2 days in Las Vegas, which school do you choose.

Also from a numbers perspective it isn't the same. In the fall with HS recruiting the 75ish elite programs are chasing 150 prospects. In the spring, most of those 75 schools are chasing maybe 50 quality JUCOs or transfers.

Additionally, blue-blood programs are reaching down to fill roster openings- KU was super active this spring. UNC signed Brooks, did they even recruit him last fall?

 

[Cloned4Life]

Not getting Juiston was a killer gut-punch IMO.

With Alstork out, if Brown doesn't pick ISU, I really do think next year is officially a rebuilding year that fans need to be prepared for. Will be fun to watch the kids develop but could be a rough go.

Which is a major, major miss by he staff, and very disappointing if that's the case. There is no reason next year should be a "rebuilding" year. If it is, it's because the staff failed at filling the class appropriately. And yes that does take into account we have 3 very good freshman in the fold already.