Twister Sister Summary - Panthers open up a can of whoop ass on Sisters

[ZorkClone]

The losses Iowa State has to those teams is pretty sad especially since those fall in the Joens and Carleton eras too.

Yeah Drake and UNI seem to match up very well to Bill's gameplan + it seems that Bill really likes to let the girls play in the Non-Con.

 

[acoustimac]

I usually get crucified for trying to educate people on the rules, to the point I've almost given up on it, but I'll give it one last try.

What you describe is not illegal. The term "moving screen" has led to a lot of misunderstanding, and officials have been trying to get that vocabulary out of the game. A screen is only illegal if the screener causes illegal contact. There is no such thing as a "moving screen" without contact.

That would be incorrect. A “moving screen” is defined as:
"When an offensive player moves their feet horizontally or laterally in the process of setting a screen. A moving screen is an illegal move that results in an offensive foul and a change of possession. A legal screen is a blocking move by an offensive player in which they stand beside or behind a defender in order to free a teammate to either shoot a pass or drive in to score. In this instance, the offensive player’s feet remain set before and during the screen."

While the term may not be correct, the fact that a moving screener is leaving their VERTICAL plane to prevent the movement of the defender is what makes it illegal.

 

[ruxCYtable]

That would be incorrect. A “moving screen” is defined as:
"When an offensive player moves their feet horizontally or laterally in the process of setting a screen. A moving screen is an illegal move that results in an offensive foul and a change of possession. A legal screen is a blocking move by an offensive player in which they stand beside or behind a defender in order to free a teammate to either shoot a pass or drive in to score. In this instance, the offensive player’s feet remain set before and during the screen."

While the term may not be correct, the fact that a moving screener is leaving their VERTICAL plane to prevent the movement of the defender is what makes it illegal.

Bro, I officiated at the high school and small college levels for over 20 years. That "definition" was pulled straight out of someone's ass. There IS no definition of a moving screen, because there is no such thing as a moving screen. Screens are illegal or legal, period, and what makes a screen illegal is CONTACT. You cannot have an illegal screen without contact.

Edit: From your own post: "Each time I saw it I wondered how it wasn’t considered a moving screen, but…not being an official I can’t really say."

 

[VeloClone]

I imagine every team is going to see how effective UNI was against Crooks and try the same thing. Heck Chicago State and Southern tried the same thing, just didn't have the players to pull it off.

Last night was just how some nights go in basketball, but it sure was disappointing to lose to what on paper should be the least good WBB team in the state.

Going in UNI knew their only chance was to play Crooks very physical and it paid off because they were getting a very friendly home whistle. Crooks was regularly fouled but wasn't getting the whistle. I know she is just a sophomore but she is going to face games like this her whole career. She needs to not let it get in her head and continue to play her game. She was clearly frustrated and missed a lot of easy shots later in the game.

That said, McDermott is incredible. She is the queen of circus shots. I would say she is lucky but she makes those regularly. I'm sure Bill will be at Maya's graduation to make sure she is actually leaving.

I know I am going to get roasted for this but I'm going to say it anyway. I think Addy Brown is an amazing player but she has to take care of the ball. Some of those turnovers, including on back to back possessions were really bad. Also, if the ball is loose, go for it immediately, don't wait for someone else to go after it even if you think the turnover isn't your fault.

 

[acoustimac]

Bro, I officiated at the high school and small college levels for over 20 years. That "definition" was pulled straight out of someone's ass. There IS no definition of a moving screen, because there is no such thing as a moving screen. Screens are illegal or legal, period, and what makes a screen illegal is CONTACT. You cannot have an illegal screen without contact.

Edit: From your own post: "Each time I saw it I wondered how it wasn’t considered a moving screen, but…not being an official I can’t really say."

Bro…According to the NCAA, a "moving screen" refers to an illegal offensive action where a player setting a screen moves their feet laterally or horizontally while attempting to block a defender, essentially "traveling" while screening, which results in an offensive foul and a change of possession. ”Moving screen” is in quotes because it is an easy way to describe what is happening. Any definition of a screen refers to being stationary in a vertical space. And yes I also talked to real officials about this. They confirmed what I’m saying.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Bro…According to the NCAA, a "moving screen" refers to an illegal offensive action where a player setting a screen moves their feet laterally or horizontally while attempting to block a defender, essentially "traveling" while screening, which results in an offensive foul and a change of possession. ”Moving screen” is in quotes because it is an easy way to describe what is happening. Any definition of a screen refers to being stationary in a vertical space. And yes I also talked to real officials about this. They confirmed what I’m saying.

How strange is it to say something like "Each time I saw it I wondered how it wasn’t considered a moving screen, but…not being an official I can’t really say." and then argue with someone who has actually done the job?

What makes a screen illegal is CONTACT. Moving by itself WITHOUT causing contact is NOT a foul.

This has been a great reminder of why I have considered giving up trying to help people learn the rules. People don't actually want to know the rules, they want to believe what they want to believe.

EDIT: Any official who supposedly confirmed that you can have a foul without contact either didn't understand what you were asking, or is not a good official.

 

[ruxCYtable]

I live for "over the back" proclamations.

I will live forever.

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[kcdc4isu]

How strange is it to say something like "Each time I saw it I wondered how it wasn’t considered a moving screen, but…not being an official I can’t really say." and then argue with someone who has actually done the job?

What makes a screen illegal is CONTACT. Moving by itself WITHOUT causing contact is NOT a foul.

This has been a great reminder of why I have considered giving up trying to help people learn the rules. People don't actually want to know the rules, they want to believe what they want to believe.

EDIT: Any official who supposedly confirmed that you can have a foul without contact either didn't understand what you were asking, or is not a good official.

Where did he say there was NO CONTACT? I saw what he was referring to and on some there was contact and with some there is none and the player on offense just moves quickly after the offensive player passes. So since you are the expert how would you have rated the job done by the officials in the game.

 

[rosshm16]

This was a highly concerning performance.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Where did he say there was NO CONTACT? I saw what he was referring to and on some there was contact and with some there is none and the player on offense just moves quickly after the offensive player passes. So since you are the expert how would you have rated the job done by the officials in the game.

Well, my statement was that you can't have an illegal screen without contact. He said that was incorrect. So there's that.

I hate to say this because it sounds sexist, but the vast majority of women's officials are failed men's officials. In general, officiating in women's college basketball is...not great.

 

[mred]

Our offense is basically Emily Ryan dribbling around in circles and just hoping something happens.

This is what always happens when our offense breaks down.

And I mean ALWAYS.

(No real point to my post, other than to note that this is the default mode on offense when things go south. See Creighton Sweet 16 game for a painful recent example.)

2009:

way to much just dribbling around

2011:

There's a whole lot of dribbling, and not much passing going on which drives me nuts. And I hate those hand off passes at the top of the key.

2012:

A winnable game turned ugly in a hurry. not good at all. point guard dribbling eveyone else standing around picking their noses. WOW

Where were any offense schemes to set up our outside shooters? Dribbling around for 20 seconds almost every possesion got us nothing. Most of the time it resulted in a turnover, not even a shot.

2013:

I can't put my finger on what is wrong with the offense.....I just know it is different. There just seems to be no flow, no motion to it, something. It seems we have Nikki dribbling around out on top, and the other four players don't really seem to know what they are supposed to be doing. Then when one of them gets the ball......sometimes it gets even worse. In the previous 3 years, I don't remember Pop looking as clueless as she does sometimes now with what to do next. I wouldn't expect that out of a potential All-American senior. It would be easy to put that off on her previous concussion, but that seems too easy.

ISU just does not seem to have the proper spacing or ball movement now, or something. Maybe it is just that the other teams have adjusted to what ISU does, and ISU is not able to change like they need to. I don't know.

I do know it is not fun basketball to watch any more.

It's Moody just dribbling dribbling dribbling like we did in some of our worst games.

2014:

Too much standing around on offense.
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Too much across the key dribbling and not enough passing.

Too many times it seemed like we were doing the old offense of standing around dribbling the shot clock away and then having to rush something. It doesn't work.
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With Iowa looming on the horizon, this is going to have to change in a hurry.

2016:

I watched just a little bit of the game and all I saw on offense was lots of standing and Jadda dribbling around some sort of ballscreen 95% of the time. It sure makes them easy to guard.

Offense: it has gotten to predictable and has way to much dribbling.We need to be more spread out on the perimeter and pass more.o many times we end up with three players on the side standing 5 foot from each other. Not to hard to guard that set up.

2017:

Bridget is not a point guard, Emily [Durr] is doing her best, but she isn't either, and all the dribbling by all our guards is driving me nuts. Lets see some inside outside passing and ball reversals for goodness sakes.

2019:

A lot of dribbling and bad passes by point gaurd in my opinion

2020:

Offense is completely out of sync. When they move and drive they are ok. Too much standing and dribbling. When someone does drive a little the other watch like it’s on tv.

Our point guard play at the end of these tights games has been questionable... Poor shooting and decision making, turnovers and the constant dribbling. Ugh.

Concerning guard play -
Ray plays her heart out, but the extended dribbling out front drives us all crazy. Seems the first goal is to get the ball to the post, but the defense is on that scheme.
Most players seem to stand around too much while she dribbles, waits for a screen. Who's at fault - her for excessive dribbling or players standing around, or both?
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Just seems like we need more motion in the offense ??

[responding to prior post above]
If nobody is cutting, picking or moving to get open, what choice does she have - pick it up and get trapped?

Haven't we been making this complaint about CBF teams for 15 years?

2021:

Stop dribbling and try passing the ball around!

Another 3+ minutes with no scoring. Way too much dribbling around for nothing.

Beyond the officiating, it's been the same story in all late close games. Way too much dribbling without any real plan. I think some of it may be freshmen who, especially late, aren't looking to score as much as they are looking to not make a mistake.

2022:

Completely agree! Offense a mess, too much dribbling around, forced/bad shots. No team ball.

Too much dribbling around and no one crashes the boards on offense. Need to start over and come up with a different game plan for Texas.

Also we are a dribbling team where the ball tends to get stuck in one players hands.

Way to much dribbling

The style of game that netted us all these wins this year was about ball and player movement. If you watched that second half you would see a single player usually dribbling off 20 seconds of shot clock while others had limited movement. In my section everyone was yelling “pass the ball!”

Bill has got to address the over dribbling and lack of motion offensively. Biggest reason why this team went 0-5 against BU and UT and CU displayed vs TOE and ISU why talent gets maxed when running motion.

Didn't seem like there was much movement off ball in the second half. Just a lot of Emily Ryan dribbling around trying to find someone open and everyone else standing still while being covered.

2023:

Maybe a little less dribbling for most of the shot clock and not looking for a pass to anyone until it’s to late might help

Soooooooooooooo much dribbling.

The young women appear to be lacking confidence - too much dribbling and not enough movement

Pretty sure Emily is trying to win an award for the most dribbling in a game.

 

[ZorkClone]

This is what always happens when our offense breaks down.

And I mean ALWAYS.

(No real point to my post, other than to note that this is the default mode on offense when things go south. See Creighton Sweet 16 game for a painful recent example.)

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Wow that’s lots of complaining about too much dribbling.

Since I mostly just watch ISU, I don’t know if this is the result of the offense Bill runs or if other teams have this problem also?

I mean it seems obvious that when the players see a lot of Em dribbling they should be trying to cut, move, or do anything. But it must not be obvious or that would mess up our game plan.

 

[cymac2408]

This is what always happens when our offense breaks down.

And I mean ALWAYS.

(No real point to my post, other than to note that this is the default mode on offense when things go south. See Creighton Sweet 16 game for a painful recent example.)

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Not sure what you’re getting at mred. Could you please expand on your point with some illustrations?

 

[kcdc4isu]

This is what always happens when our offense breaks down.

And I mean ALWAYS.

(No real point to my post, other than to note that this is the default mode on offense when things go south. See Creighton Sweet 16 game for a painful recent example.)

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And this shows that this has been the style that CBF seems to prefer. I am not a fan of excessive dribbling except in key times when needed to set up a called play. We need to keep it at a minimum and use more passing and motion.

 

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Good lord my jaw is on the floor, amazed at the sheer dedication it took to put this post together.

 

[NWICY]

Well, my statement was that you can't have an illegal screen without contact. He said that was incorrect. So there's that.

I hate to say this because it sounds sexist, but the vast majority of women's officials are failed men's officials. In general, officiating in women's college basketball is...not great.

The ponytail lady actually moved up to mbb last yr. She had reffed ISU women for a long time then she was in the men's game.

 

[acoustimac]

This is what always happens when our offense breaks down.

And I mean ALWAYS.

(No real point to my post, other than to note that this is the default mode on offense when things go south. See Creighton Sweet 16 game for a painful recent example.)

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Damn dude…that’s some real digging!

 

[acoustimac]

There does need to be some context to the historical posts. First…the point that when an offense breaks down, for whatever reason, it means someone has to try and make anything happen…and that usually means the point guard. The historical context…and I’ll use the Bolte years for this…is the offense quite literally was send the three point shooters to the corners and stand. For the past several years this has not been the case, but see point one.

 

[WartburgClone]

Addy isn't getting enough touches IMO. She seems to make the best decisions out of the big three.

Shooting 65.2% through the first 5 games and if you remove that terrible 3-12 game against Indiana State it jumps up to 79.4%

 

[Jkclone15]

This is what always happens when our offense breaks down.

And I mean ALWAYS.

(No real point to my post, other than to note that this is the default mode on offense when things go south. See Creighton Sweet 16 game for a painful recent example.)

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Incredible work