I believe it's actually "VEISHA" to them.
No, I believe you are under a giant delusion as to what VEISHEA actually is...to the people who are actually putting VEISHEA on. Drunken carousing may be VEISHEA to many on here, but to many others, that isn't at all what it is. Why should those of us who believe in what it is meant to be have to accept the definition of the partiers? Why can't the drunks find another week to party?
I think you're under a giant delusion as to what VEISHEA actually is. Yes, there is a parade. Yes it's an exhibition. Yes, it's fun for families. But the party is what brings people to town. The party is why all the money gets spent. The party is why the hotels are booked this weekend. The party IS the show.
I think you've stumbled onto the very crux of the issue. I feel bad for the people who put on VEISHEA. They work hard and don't want a riot or a bunch of drunk craziness any more than you or I do. BUT, their event has become completely tied with those things, whether they like it or not. It's not fair. It's not right. But it just IS. To the majority of people, it's known as a week long drunken party. The entire event needs a giant makeover.
Lol.
Yes more money may be spent by the partiers, but seriously, how many of the party people you think get hotel rooms? They are ALL couch surfing at friends places.
That, I can agree with. And the change in mentality needs to come from the students. They did it before. I just don't agree with the knee-jerk reaction by the admin here.
I think you've stumbled onto the very crux of the issue. I feel bad for the people who put on VEISHEA. They work hard and don't want a riot or a bunch of drunk craziness any more than you or I do. BUT, their event has become completely tied with those things, whether they like it or not. It's not fair. It's not right. But it just IS. To the majority of people, it's known as a week long drunken party. The entire event needs a giant makeover.
No, I believe you are under a giant delusion as to what VEISHEA actually is...to the people who are actually putting VEISHEA on. Drunken carousing may be VEISHEA to many on here, but to many others, that isn't at all what it is. Why should those of us who believe in what it is meant to be have to accept the definition of the partiers? Why can't the drunks find another week to party?
You are correct about what VEISHEA actually is... but that doesnt mean 18-21 year old DMACC, Kirkwood, and other kids agree with what VEISHEA means to you and I. Most couldn't tell you the first thing about it, to them VEISHEA is spelled PARTY
I think you're under a giant delusion as to what VEISHEA actually is. Yes, there is a parade. Yes it's an exhibition. Yes, it's fun for families. But the party is what brings people to town. The party is why all the money gets spent. The party is why the hotels are booked this weekend. The party IS the show.
And why is that such a problem? Why can't people cut loose for one damn weekend a year?
You really have no grasp on reality, do you? To most people, it's a party. This is a perfect example of perception being reality. Did VEISHEA start with the intent of being a giant party? Of course not. But that's what it's come to be known as to most.
Kind of like calling Minnesota a great football program because they used to be perennial national title contenders. Well, that was a long time ago. They kind of suck now.
Edit: Looks like Janny beat me to this point.
But, addressing your point that the change can't happen without the students, I agree. But I think something like this can encourage students to be more assertive about holding each other accountable in the future. Maybe there's not much of a connection between the people who organize VEISHEA and the riotous crowd, but there are a ****-ton of students in the middle who are affected, too. I'm guessing lots of students might not want to be on the riot scene, but would want to see T.I. And I'm guessing there would be quite a few of the riot crew that would like that, too.
You're right that regulation/banning/etc. won't stop idiots from being idiots. But by only punishing the idiots (most of whom won't learn a damn thing from that experience), none of the others will bother trying to hold each other accountable. Everybody kind of becomes a lone wolf; if I behave, I'll get my reward. But that's not how life works; you've got to be able to work with other people, and everyone's actions have an impact on those around them.
Perhaps I'm confused or misunderstanding something here. Are you asking why last night was a problem?
I have an excellent grasp on reality. I know exactly what VEISHEA means to many people who are often not intensely involved in the planning and execution. However, the fact that they believe it is all about the drinking does not, in fact, mean that it actually is ALL about the drinking. That's just an excuse, a justification for bad behavior. The reality is, some people will find any excuse possible for drinking. The reality is that the people planning it are not planning it to be a week long drinking competition...or they wouldn't bother with all of the other stuff that doesn't promote drinking and vandalism. I choose to side with the reality of the people organizing and executing VEISHEA.
Im suggesting an anti-rioting campaign centered around VEISHEA
And why is that such a problem? Why can't people cut loose for one damn weekend a year?
Hopefully, this was not actually a serious question. There is nothing wrong with people cutting loose and having a good time. When that "cutting loose" involves someone getting seriously injured, and significant private and public property damage.......then it is a problem. If you don't know why that is a problem......think really hard and see if you can come up with a reason.And why is that such a problem? Why can't people cut loose for one damn weekend a year?
You know why, when someone on a team does something stupid, the entire team runs/suffers for it? Because unfairly punishing the entire team for the misguided actions of a few encourages the players to hold each other accountable for their actions. Maybe students will be more willing to step up and call idiots out on their ****, when that **** can affect them, too.