Death to Cyclone Alley!

[Tre4ISU]

Morningside game was awesome. I still remember that game....
God, that was like... 10 years ago.

We should have lost that game but it was a great game.

 

[pulse]

Not seeing at least a reasonably full Hilton (I don't expect sellouts) really bothers me, but at the same time most people really underestimate the damage McD did to our program. Years of bad/losing basketball took the air out of any excitement. 2004 was the last time we had a halfway decent team to cheer for! Any freshmen out there would have been 12 years old at the time.

 

[ornryactor]

Just out of curiosity, why would the AA have anything to do with CA? Not trying to disagree with you, just curious why an alumni association would regulate a student organization...

Cyclone Alley is run by Cyclone Alley Central, which is a subcommittee of the Student Alumni Leadership Council, which is controlled by the Student Alumni Association, which is controlled by the ISU Alumni Assoction. Basically, the ISUAA and the "advisors" to the student groups have complete, utter, and TOTAL control over everything that happens through any of their tentacles. The Athletics Department has almost nothing to do with it except having a staff representative at some CAC meetings, and having the CAC co-chairs sit on the Athletic Director's Student Advisory Council.

A couple of years ago, I tried to work with Homecoming Central to implement some new ideas and lines of communication to get residence hall students involved with Homecoming activities again. I bent over backwards and did tons of work, but they just would not budge. The full-time advisors were very firmly not interested in doing anything any differently than had been done in the past. The student leaders were vaguely interested, but had been so heavily brainwashed that all they could do was repeat the same half-dozen placating phrases and suggestions over and over.

I've seen the exact same thing in CAC: one of my best friends (a very spirited Cyclone fan) joined CAC this year precisely in the hopes that he could help institute some change into the inadequacies and failures he saw within the organization. He doesn't realize it, but he's well on his way to being just as brainwashed as anybody else in that group, which makes me really sad.

I like CA, and don't want to see it abolished, but I really cannot stand most of the things about the WAY they operate, WHO they select, and HOW they go about both. That all needs some serious reform.

 

[IcSyU]

That's why Wednesday's game against Drake will be very telling.

I'm just hoping most tests/projects are due before Friday, or that's going to kill student attendance.

Which brings me to my next question: Haven't we normally played Drake in December after students are back from Thanksgiving? I could've sworn we played them during dead week my sophomore year.

 

[Clonefan32]

Cyclone Alley is run by Cyclone Alley Central, which is a subcommittee of the Student Alumni Leadership Council, which is controlled by the Student Alumni Association, which is controlled by the ISU Alumni Assoction. Basically, the ISUAA and the "advisors" to the student groups have complete, utter, and TOTAL control over everything that happens through any of their tentacles. The Athletics Department has almost nothing to do with it except having a staff representative at some CAC meetings, and having the CAC co-chairs sit on the Athletic Director's Student Advisory Council.

A couple of years ago, I tried to work with Homecoming Central to implement some new ideas and lines of communication to get residence hall students involved with Homecoming activities again. I bent over backwards and did tons of work, but they just would not budge. The full-time advisors were very firmly not interested in doing anything any differently than had been done in the past. The student leaders were vaguely interested, but had been so heavily brainwashed that all they could do was repeat the same half-dozen placating phrases and suggestions over and over.

I've seen the exact same thing in CAC: one of my best friends (a very spirited Cyclone fan) joined CAC this year precisely in the hopes that he could help institute some change into the inadequacies and failures he saw within the organization. He doesn't realize it, but he's well on his way to being just as brainwashed as anybody else in that group, which makes me really sad.

I like CA, and don't want to see it abolished, but I really cannot stand most of the things about the WAY they operate, WHO they select, and HOW they go about both. That all needs some serious reform.

So we are only one step away from linking CA to Kevin Bacon?

 

[Tedcyclone]

It's a Sunday 1 p.m. tip against a bad opponent, did you expect a jam packed frenzied Hilton?

no, would not expect a sold out arena, but i would expect a full student section for every game.. what else do you do on sunday at 1 pm living in ames? freaking pathetic is what i call the student section i have witnessed over last 4 years... the ones there do a good job, and so does the band.. how ever when 50% do not show, it sucks, and looks terrible...

 

[IcSyU]

no, would not expect a sold out arena, but i would expect a full student section for every game.. what else do you do on sunday at 1 pm living in ames? freaking pathetic is what i call the student section i have witnessed over last 4 years... the ones there do a good job, and so does the band.. how ever when 50% do not show, it sucks, and looks terrible...

Good luck this week with it being the week before Break. It isn't going to happen, so don't get your hopes up. Too much **** happening on the student side of things.

There has never in the history of Hilton Coliseum been a year where the student section was full every game. Ever. Why people expect that now is beyond me. Luckily we have these showdowns with schools no one has ever heard of!

 

[ajk4st8]

This topic is REALLY easy.

Our students don't care or can't make it to the games. No matter what reason it is, they should completely cut the student section in half.

The reason WHY it is empty means NOTHING. It has been empty for years. I would pay a lot of money for those seats............... OR hopefully the student support will be bad this year again and I can sit there for almost every game. This year 2 for 2.


Seriously. Less than 100 students out of 28,000 on a nice weather day decided to go.

 

[Ms3r4ISU]

Sounds like the CAC has been been watching Minute to Win It.

Hah! they had some minute-to-win-it things during the intermission at volleyball games. (Wasted some toilet paper and facial tissues as I recall.) And here I thought that was a trademarked name.

 

[CloneFan03]

You interview to join. But their selection process sucks. I know at least 2 HUGE fans who everyone knows because of their game day attire who were turned away. That shouldn't happen. Absolutely no excuse for it. I have another friend who is a huge fan but didn't even care about Iowa State until he came to school here, yet he got on. Still puzzles me to this day.

And frankly, most of the people on CAC are good people, its the AA that's the issue. You know, the embarrassment that'll hit the field at Jack Trice about 5:45 Saturday night? There's the biggest issue.

Someone just hit the nail on the head.......

 

[CrossCyed]

It's seriously not difficult to understand why there are no students at games - the entire generation of undergrads has seen nothing but bad basketball.

Using some rough math, here's what a given student has witnessed:

ISU home record, home conference record, and ISU record in games students have tickets to:

5th year senior: 47-24 (14-18) 23-22; 0-8 vs top 25 at home
4th year senior: 35-19 (10-14) 19-17; 0-7 vs top 25 at home
3rd year junior: 23-13 (6-10) 12-12; 0-3 vs top 25 at home
2nd year sophomore: 11-7 (2-6) 5-7; 0-3 vs top 25 at home

So, unless you're a senior, we haven't won more than half the games that you've had tickets to. You certainly have not witnessed a home win over a ranked team, and you go in expecting to lose any conference game.

IT'S BEEN BAD BASKETBALL.

 

[gocubs2118]

It's seriously not difficult to understand why there are no students at games - the entire generation of undergrads has seen nothing but bad basketball.

Using some rough math, here's what a given student has witnessed:

ISU home record, home conference record, and ISU record in games students have tickets to:

5th year senior: 47-24 (14-18) 23-22; 0-8 vs top 25 at home
4th year senior: 35-19 (10-14) 19-17; 0-7 vs top 25 at home
3rd year junior: 23-13 (6-10) 12-12; 0-3 vs top 25 at home
2nd year sophomore: 11-7 (2-6) 5-7; 0-3 vs top 25 at home

So, unless you're a senior, we haven't won more than half the games that you've had tickets to. You certainly have not witnessed a home win over a ranked team, and you go in expecting to lose any conference game.

IT'S BEEN BAD BASKETBALL.

Don't know why more people don't understand this. If I was still at ISU, I would be a 5th year senior this year and those 4+ years have been BAD. I made it to 95% of the games while I was a student but that's just because I love Iowa State basketball. I could see why the fringe fans wouldn't want to come. If you give them a reason to come, they will. That means win more games.

 

[CrossCyed]

And just so people know, the student ticket games are my rough estimate, I can't really remember for sure, but I counted all conference games, as well as games that didn't fall on Thanksgiving or Christmas break, nor did I count exhibition games.

 

[jsmith86]

This topic is REALLY easy.

Our students don't care or can't make it to the games. No matter what reason it is, they should completely cut the student section in half.

The reason WHY it is empty means NOTHING. It has been empty for years. I would pay a lot of money for those seats............... OR hopefully the student support will be bad this year again and I can sit there for almost every game. This year 2 for 2.


Seriously. Less than 100 students out of 28,000 on a nice weather day decided to go.

Did you even read the posts before yours? People have given VERY good reasons why students didn't show up. As great as going to see a game against a non-conference opponent that we should be able to beat easily might be, students have much more important things to do the sunday before the last week before break, especially since many professors decide to schedule tests this week.



The general vibe I'm getting from some people seems to be "Students don't want to go, so lets take their seats away." This is completely wrong. It is college basketball, not old person basketball. I don't care how many games you went to back in the 80s and 90s. If you really want to find somewhere where the students don't get the good seats, I suggest you go check out NBA basketball and forget about being a college basketball fan.

 

[mbbone]

So you're saying I owe my group members for making sure I missed it?

Women's game last night was dizzy bat.

And I'm trying to be shocked you remembered something about food. :wideeyed:

I HATE DIZZY BAT!!
if you're going to have a competition, at least make everyone keep their bat on the floor.

But on the subject of Cyclone Alley, I don't really see the point. It seems like any obstacle-real or percieved-to attending the game is something that ISU should work to avoid. Cyclone Alley just creates another obstacle for some students to attend the games. You can ***** all you want about how those students should nut up and come anyway, but if the goal is increasing attendance at games, we should get rid of Cyclone Alley. If, on the other hand, the goal is to give 5 or 6 students bogus leadership experience and distribute lots of free crap, then Cyclone Alley is a great thing.

 

[gwoodclone]

Don't know why more people don't understand this. If I was still at ISU, I would be a 5th year senior this year and those 4+ years have been BAD. I made it to 95% of the games while I was a student but that's just because I love Iowa State basketball. I could see why the fringe fans wouldn't want to come. If you give them a reason to come, they will. That means win more games.

Exactly. Going to games hasn't been fun. Most people don't care about ISU sports as much as we do. They go just to have a good time at the game. And when we suck and play a boring style of basketball, it's hard to have a good time. Aside from the first half against Texas, last season was downright miserable at Hilton. We only won two freaking home conference games! Even I was seriously considering not getting tickets if McDermott was still coach. Luckily I didn't have to make that decision.

When we start winning, and with our more fun up-tempo style of play, students (and the old people not dressed as empty balcony and parque seats:wink will start having fun and coming back. But we have a lot of work to do to win over the rest of the students again.

 

[Cydwinder]

I HATE DIZZY BAT!!
if you're going to have a competition, at least make everyone keep their bat on the floor.

But on the subject of Cyclone Alley, I don't really see the point. It seems like any obstacle-real or percieved-to attending the game is something that ISU should work to avoid. Cyclone Alley just creates another obstacle for some students to attend the games. You can ***** all you want about how those students should nut up and come anyway, but if the goal is increasing attendance at games, we should get rid of Cyclone Alley. If, on the other hand, the goal is to give 5 or 6 students bogus leadership experience and distribute lots of free crap, then Cyclone Alley is a great thing.

Just an idea, but couldn't the season ticket cost included CA payment? It would likely increase cost for season tickets but students wouldn't fee forced to buy SAA membership to go to a game.

 

[Cydwinder]

Exactly. Going to games hasn't been fun. Most people don't care about ISU sports as much as we do. They go just to have a good time at the game. And when we suck and play a boring style of basketball, it's hard to have a good time. Aside from the first half against Texas, last season was downright miserable at Hilton. We only won two freaking home conference games! Even I was seriously considering not getting tickets if McDermott was still coach. Luckily I didn't have to make that decision.

When we start winning, and with our more fun up-tempo style of play, students (and the old people not dressed as empty balcony and parque seats:wink will start having fun and coming back. But we have a lot of work to do to win over the rest of the students again.

I remember the K-State game being pretty entertaining even though we lost.

 

[gwoodclone]

I remember the K-State game being pretty entertaining even though we lost.

It probably was. I've just tried to block out as many memories from that season as possible:daydreaming:

 

[CycloneErik]

I remember the K-State game being pretty entertaining even though we lost.

But overall, a lot of those games got pretty tough to watch.