Texas forums/CF agree: new big 12 is 2nd tier G5 (edit)

[Cyclonick182]

I'm just here to say **** Texas and most of their fans. Carry on.

 

[jbhtexas]

I said it way before all of the back door dealings ESPN did with the SEC but they have had WAY too much skin in the game ever since the 4 team format started. They have played a critical role in getting certain teams bumped up in the rankings because they want the TV numbers. Their little Tuesday night ranking show has been a valuable mouthpiece to get certain teams bumped up. Going to 8 or 12 would correct a lot of this and college football needs the parity. It can't be all about 6 teams every year. Worst case scenario, you starting spreading the money around and that would be a good thing.

I can't really for the life of me imagine why the P5 conferences agreed to a 4-team playoff format that automatically eliminates at least one, and possibly more, of the participating conferences from having a chance at making the playoff. Of course, it's great for ESPN...congrats to them I guess for selling it to the P5.

 

[t-noah]

Great analogy. Oklahoma would be Tom Hanks, solid leading man that everyone respects and will miss when theyre gone. Texas right now is Sharknado era Tara Reid.

Cincinnati would be Liev Shreiber. BYU would be John Goodman, Houston would be Sam Rockwell, UCF would be Peter Storemare. We are Steve Buschemi.

I like Steve Buschemi!

 

[RustShack]

The added money certainly provides advantages, but not as much as you might think. Our athletic department budget is already only a fraction of Texas's budget, and yet we've beat them three years in a row.

This is accurate. It also helps that CMC has been offered more money by both Iowa State and other schools, but wants to do what’s best for his staff/players/Iowa State instead.

 

[isu81]

They got their dream matchup in the championship game last year and the ratings were terrible. You really need to wonder how long it will be until they figure out that they've alienated 80% of the country to push their narrative.

The SEC championship game drew 9.0 million viewers, more than triple the B12 championship game.

 

[RustShack]

Clemson has gotten pretty good beating up on a weak ACC. Nebraska got good winning the Big8/being able to avoid Texas/Oklahoma in the Big12. Iowa and Mizzou(among several others)have had very good seasons avoiding many other good schools in their conference.

Iowa State(or someone else in the Big12) has a chance to win a lot of games and Big12 Championships, leading to better recruiting, adding more fans, and earning more money among other things. The Big12 is still a P5 conference, and the gap between P5 and G5 has become much larger after raiding them. Sure, we aren’t SEC or B1G, but we aren’t any worse than the ACC or PAC either.

 

[EvilBetty]

So on these Texas forums, they are complaining about the refs, which is ironic. Also, we've won 3 of the last 4 meetings in Ames against the Whorns and in 2013, we should've won, but refs ultimately failed us and we got the infamous Rhoads presser to follow. So yeah, the refs were against Texas....my ass

texas complaining about the refs. Yeah, refs have always had it out of them.

 

[mkadl]

We'll be in a worse conference, and they're about to lose even more games.

That will depend on the schedule the SEC has watered down for them?

 

[stewart092284]

The ACC doesn't need Clemson to win, they need Miami, Florida St, and Va Tech to pull their heads out of their a$$es. Clemson alone doesn't lift the ACC, they need some serious help.

Fair enough for the most part but I think with a national title contender the ACC is probably seen as #3, regardless of those other teams status at least for the media etc.

 

[shadow]

Is Texas going to lose to Kansas this week? That's my big question.

Season Series
2016 (Strong): UT lost at KU 24-21 in OT
2017 (Herman): UT beats KU 42-27 at home
2018 (Herman): UT beats KU 24-17 on road
2019 (Herman): UT beats KU 50-48 at home
2020 (Herman): game canceled

 

[everyyard]

Is Texas going to lose to Kansas this week? That's my big question.

Season Series
2016 (Strong): UT lost at KU 24-21 in OT
2017 (Herman): UT beats KU 42-27 at home
2018 (Herman): UT beats KU 24-17 on road
2019 (Herman): UT beats KU 50-48 at home
2020 (Herman): game canceled

I could see it. You know they are done.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Wasn't aware John C Holmes was known for comedy. I'll need to revisit his catalog of work

Totally thought you said John C Reilly lol

 

[Klubber]

He’s not wrong. ISU will absolutely jump ship it offered by the Big Ten or Pac. And they should. You can try to pump this new conference up all you want, but it won’t be 3rd best in the nation. That’s just reality. Reality is also that ISU, at least currently, doesn’t have any better option. The two ideas don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

Yeah sorry, but no with regards to your PAC 12 comment. They missed their chance to expand and now they're completely screwed.

The PAC makes less than any other P5 conference currently, and nothing has changed for them that will move the needle in their favor. And, not to mention, if any marquee programs leave the PAC, they have zero decent options for replacements.

The new Big XII will pay more in TV revenue than the PAC when it's all said and done.

If anything, the Big XII might be poaching some of their current schools in the not so distant future, as might the B1G.

 

[RustShack]

That will depend on the schedule the SEC has watered down for them?

It’ll be interesting to see how they do it. I like the Pod system a lot more than how the SEC and B1G are currently doing it, if done right that is. Play your pod every year, and two of each other pod every year and keep rotating. You see at least every team every other year, and have a home and away with everyone in four years. Much better than Iowa seeing Ohio State once every 5+ years.

 

[RustShack]

Yeah sorry, but no with regards to your PAC 12 comment. They missed their chance to expand and now they're completely screwed.

The PAC makes less than any other P5 conference currently, and nothing has changed for them that will move the needle in their favor. And, not to mention, if any marquee programs leave the PAC, they have zero decent options for replacements.

The new Big XII will pay more in TV revenue than the PAC when it's all said and done.

If anything, the Big XII might be poaching some of their current schools in the not so distant future, as might the B1G.

That’s how I see it. There will be more expansion in the next few years. Does the B1G take Iowa State and Kansas to get to 16? Or do they poach the PAC and go to 18 or 20? Which If the B1G goes the PAC route, then the SEC likely follows poaching some more Big12 schools as does the ACC, and it ends with some type of PAC Big12 merger for the 4th conference.

Expansion isn’t done, it just might be a few years give or take to find out what happens. Does the B1G force a P4, or do they just take Iowa State and Kansas to keep a P5.

 

[clonehome]

The added money certainly provides advantages, but not as much as you might think. Our athletic department budget is already only a fraction of Texas's budget, and yet we've beat them three years in a row.

Right. Obviously it will matter huge if schools are allowed to start paying players directly but short of that the money has a diminishing return for football. See Texas the last dozen years. Where the money advantage really shows up, even now, is in all of the other sports. The B1G and SEC schools can afford gaudy facilities, coaching salaries and recruiting budgets in every sport.

Also, those schools will be compelled to contribute money back to the general fund like the Texas AD does materially now. Universities all over the country are facing budget shortfalls and will welcome the additional revenue stream.

 

[HFCS]

According to the Baylor 365 show on Youtube (good show BTW which covers all the B12) they said that when TCU and Utah moved up to P5 conferences their recruiting profile ranking dramatically improved as a result. From the 60s to the 30s for the most part for those 2 programs. Point being they new Big 12 members have a shot to be very formidable from time to time.

Cincy should really have great recruiting now. They didn't think it would help BYU much, but they generally are ok. Perhaps Houston has some runs like TCU did. Surely won't hurt UCF.

Nobody is going to replace OU, but Texas has been dead weight for 10+ years. In a way I think the Big 12 may be stronger at 12 than it is at 10 now. Will be interesting to see how the conference schedule plays out.

We’ve been mathematically and statistically the best basketball conference for a solid decade despite only one program having the hoops “brand”.

Actually having two more teams will help our perception in media. Hardly any analysts point out we only have 10 teams when comparing bowl bids and ncaa bids among leagues.

 

[Yaz]

texas complaining about the refs. Yeah, refs have always had it out of them.

BTW, I know the story on that. I also know that particular ref worked at Pella Corporationand and is retired now, however, was very good friends with Mack. True story.

 

[WhoISthis]

The SEC championship game drew 9.0 million viewers, more than triple the B12 championship game.

Ratings were down across the board, particularly with the Big 12 overlapping with another game

 

[bradcyclone]

Texas played BYU a few years ago and got blown out twice.