i don't know about runaway success. Larry ****ed up recruiting. Tim sort of did too.
I think the bottom line is a non blueblood program like Iowa state is never going to have long term sustained success changing coaches every 5 years. I don't care if they were fired, left before they were fired, had a drinking problem, or left to follow their only true dream in life. It just doesn't breed success. I thought maybe s home town guy that begged for the job might want to stay. Now, I've got to hope prohm does.
You are nuts.If Prohm has any kind of success he's gone too. Not seeing him passing up the Louisville or Kentucky jobs and not take his wife back home to Kentucky. I worry about that as both coaches are getting toward the end, especially Pitino. I'd guess he'd strongly consider Georgia or Alabama too.
Because college basketball requires 4 year guys, not just juniors and seniors. It seems like he went for a few big fish and when he didn't get them (specifically because he couldn't commit to here) he gave up.
And frankly it doesnt matter what Fred started with because we are talking about now, not 6 years ago. Everyone knows fred turned this place around. No one denies that. People are mad that he turned it around and then left in way he did. He could have handled it way better.
I'm not sure what to think about Fred. It's puzzling to me.
He claimed he loved ISU and would only leave ISU if he could go to the NBA, but then he was interviewing for the Gophers job. Now that didn't make any sense whatsoever. I still think he didn't like something here... whether it was JP or something else, I don't know, but make no mistake, Fred was wanting out of here pretty bad for some reason?
And then deciding to go to the Bulls didn't make any intelligent sense either, unless all you care about is money, but Fred doesn't seem like a guy that cares only about money. Anyone with half a brain could see how bad of a job the Bulls job was. No cap room, and a roster full of old deteriorating guys. I know Fred was smart enough to see what a disaster that job was going to be, so why take it? Was it all about the money?
As someone else said, I care only about ISU, not Fred Hoiberg. He can do whatever he wants, but I feel no loyalty in continuing to support him. I wish no harm to him of course, but it wouldn't bother me in the least either if he discovers in the end what a big mistake it was in leaving ISU. People always think it's going to be greener somewhere else, but that isn't always the case. Sometimes you just need to realize just how good you have it.
He was the hometown hero in Ames, and in Chicago nobody cares about Fred Hoiberg at all. They want him gone already. So I guess you make your own bed, now you have to sleep in it. Unfortunate IMO.
But lying to the fan base is okay. I want to retire here (actually not a lie, but deceiving). He should have said, "after I make millions coaching elsewhere, I want to retire and head back to Ames."Frustration would be my word of choice for the end of the Fred era here. It appears that he wanted out (for whatever reason) two years ago. Otherwise, why even pick up the phone when the Gophers called and evidently interview with every NBA team that was looking for a coach the past two years.
He was an excellent recruiter when he could commit to being at Iowa State... Niang, Morris, Thomas to name three. If he was actually serious about staying at ISU long term recruiting wouldn't have dropped off like it did.
I don't think Fred had an issue with recruiting until he decided two years ago he'd rather be somewhere else... Gophers, Pelicans, Golden State, Bulls... wherever.
I don't believe Fred is a liar. Having to lie to recruits about his future in order to get them to sign is something that would be distasteful.
Feeling sad that I long for the day when he isn't the topic of conversation here.
Probably just in time for Fred to take the reigns from retiring Bill Self LOLLOL
If Prohm has any kind of success he's gone too. Not seeing him passing up the Louisville or Kentucky jobs and not take his wife back home to Kentucky. I worry about that as both coaches are getting toward the end, especially Pitino. I'd guess he'd strongly consider Georgia or Alabama too.
You are nuts.
Its not like he was making minimum wage here. He was doing pretty well....This argument is annoying. If KFC offers you 25 million to come cook you don't say "well five guys is trending up right now". You take the job.
He likely would have given Prohm a chance. You think that Diallo doesn't regret going to KU at this point? He would get 10 minutes a game in an ISU uniform no problem, just to rest some of our guys.So if Diallo signs with ISU in April, do you think he's not going to ask for and be granted his release when Hoiberg goes to the Bulls?
He likely would have given Prohm a chance. You think that Diallo doesn't regret going to KU at this point? He would get 10 minutes a game in an ISU uniform no problem, just to rest some of our guys.
diallo must be miserable at ku. He got yanked within 15 seconds today. Self has no patience with him.
We're not consistently a top 25 team? Could've fooled me.
He likely would have given Prohm a chance. You think that Diallo doesn't regret going to KU at this point? He would get 10 minutes a game in an ISU uniform no problem, just to rest some of our guys.
Maybe he didn't like living in the fishbowl of Ames, and would rather live in Chicago where he can probably go out to eat with his family without someone interrupting him.