The blood is in the water
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Yes, we all know that playing a cupcake schedule does not affect the record of team. Look at Iowa, they have a winning record and have not lost to any really bad teams, well except ISU>
Look at the numbers. In my 40 years who has succeeded? It is sad, but the answer is no one! I suppose the next one could always break the string, but history is not on our side here. I am not a fan of firing a coach without a better plan. I am not convinced that there is a clear cut better plan at this point. This is SAD but IMO true.
Of the 6 coaches hired since Majors and Bruce, only 2 of them were head coaches previously. And those 2 guys got ZERO support from the administration in regards to budget and facilities. The other 4 guys were "learn on the job" types.
How about we go get a successful HC from a lower level and see what he can do with a decent budget and facilities in a P5 conference? That's something that has never been tried in Ames.
Its that kind of defeatist attitude that will leave this team in the dumpster too. We have nothing to lose by looking elsewhere. Rhoads first season and a win over OSU are both great things for Cyclone lore, but they have done nothing to help propel this program in a positive direction.
It continually amazes me that people think we will fall farther if we fire CPR. Folks, there is nothing lower than the situation we are in. Two losses in a row to FCS teams (should be three but Steele Jantz pulled a lucky horseshoe or of his *** at the end of the game two years ago.) One winning season in six years. Last in the conference in season 6. Recruits decommitting left and right. Embarrassing performances on the field.
You know, Jared Barnett was the quarterback that beat #2 OSU. We had no problem saying good bye to him. Despite that accomplishment, we knew he wasn't the right guy to lead the offense and he transferred. He knew it too. Why can't you people let go of CPR the same way? He accomplished some things but it is now clear that he isn't the man to lead the program. Remember the good times, but let go and move on already.
You know, Jared Barnett was the quarterback that beat #2 OSU. We had no problem saying good bye to him. Despite that accomplishment, we knew he wasn't the right guy to lead the offense and he transferred. He knew it too. Why can't you people let go of CPR the same way? He accomplished some things but it is now clear that he isn't the man to lead the program. Remember the good times, but let go and move on already.
Thanks for helping me see the light on my defeatest attitude. Which it is not by the way! I am saying what is the plan. I am sure experienced high level coaches have lined up in the past to come here and we just overlooked them. As for lower level coaches with experience. All for that however, based on everything I read, recruiting is the biggest issue. Typically, they are not familiar with recruiting at a power 5 level. If you want experience you probably need to look at someone with some baggage, and that is not really Jamie's MO. I am far from defeatist. I want to change the culture as much as anyone. Full disclosure I am more of a basketball guy. If we can find the Johnny Orr of football, I am all for change now.
I have time to break this down now.
Gene Chizik - DC for Texas and won a national championship. Many called this hire huge. Turned out he couldn't coach a lick. Without Cam Newton, he was 19-19 at Auburn, going 0-8 in his last season. The very next year, Guz Malzahn took Auburn to the National Championship game. Most everyone in the country agrees that Chizik is a bad head choach.
Dan McCarney - 12 years at Iowa State. Had some decent offenses. Had some decent defenses. Never really at the same time. Beat the teams he should have beat. Rarely beat someone he shouldn't have beat. Ended his career 56-85 at ISU. First bowl win in program history.
Jim Walden - Hired in 1987 away from Washington State, another school with similar Iowa State history. Had 1 bowl season at WSU. Overall, was not a successful coach coming into ISU or leaving ISU.
Jim Criner - Came from a very successful run at Boise State where he won 1 now called FCS National Championship and made the semi's the next year. He went 4-7, 2-7-2, 5-6, and 6-5. But was fired for NCAA violations.
Donnie Duncan - Similar to Gene Chizik. Came in from Oklahoma under Barry Switzer. Overall, wasn't a good coach. Was never a head coach anywhere else after Iowa State.
So of the coaches in the last 35 years, sans Paul Rhoads, 1 was only a HC for Iowa State, 2 never got jobs after Iowa State, and 2 were hired after leaving Iowa State.
Of those coaches, I know we have hindsight now, but really only 1 maybe 2 would you think were sure fire good hires that should have worked out. Chizik and Criner. Chizik was incredibly successful at Texas at DC and was known as a great recruiter. Later, everyone found out he was a crap HC unless he had Cam Newton and Gus Malzahn calling the plays. Criner came in after a pretty successful run at Division 1-AA Boise State but was fired after NCAA violations. I'm not old enough to have watched those teams to know what they looked like so maybe someone older can comment on how those teams looked and maybe comment on if it looked like the program was turning the corner.
To the people asking to point out a successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 35 years, I'd tell you we haven't had one. But we also have only made 1 great/good looking hire in Chizik. Otherwise, we have hired crap coaches or just mediocre ones.
Gene Chizik - DC for Texas and won a national championship. Many called this hire huge. Turned out he couldn't coach a lick. Without Cam Newton, he was 19-19 at Auburn, going 0-8 in his last season. The very next year, Guz Malzahn took Auburn to the National Championship game. Most everyone in the country agrees that Chizik is a bad head choach.
Dan McCarney - 12 years at Iowa State. Had some decent offenses. Had some decent defenses. Never really at the same time. Beat the teams he should have beat. Rarely beat someone he shouldn't have beat. Ended his career 56-85 at ISU. First bowl win in program history.
Jim Walden - Hired in 1987 away from Washington State, another school with similar Iowa State history. Had 1 bowl season at WSU. Overall, was not a successful coach coming into ISU or leaving ISU.
Jim Criner - Came from a very successful run at Boise State where he won 1 now called FCS National Championship and made the semi's the next year. He went 4-7, 2-7-2, 5-6, and 6-5. But was fired for NCAA violations.
Donnie Duncan - Similar to Gene Chizik. Came in from Oklahoma under Barry Switzer. Overall, wasn't a good coach. Was never a head coach anywhere else after Iowa State.
So of the coaches in the last 35 years, sans Paul Rhoads, 1 was only a HC for Iowa State, 2 never got jobs after Iowa State, and 2 were hired after leaving Iowa State.
Of those coaches, I know we have hindsight now, but really only 1 maybe 2 would you think were sure fire good hires that should have worked out. Chizik and Criner. Chizik was incredibly successful at Texas at DC and was known as a great recruiter. Later, everyone found out he was a crap HC unless he had Cam Newton and Gus Malzahn calling the plays. Criner came in after a pretty successful run at Division 1-AA Boise State but was fired after NCAA violations. I'm not old enough to have watched those teams to know what they looked like so maybe someone older can comment on how those teams looked and maybe comment on if it looked like the program was turning the corner.
To the people asking to point out a successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 35 years, I'd tell you we haven't had one. But we also have only made 1 great/good looking hire in Chizik. Otherwise, we have hired crap coaches or just mediocre ones.
I'm of the opinion that it's a helluva lot easier to turn a program around in 2014 than it was in 1980. Our facilities are as good as anyone and scholarship limits are in place. Plus, getting a kid from TX is a quick plane trip away. (Still not easy, but easier)
It's a lot bigger than just one guy, too.
It's a lot bigger than just one guy, too.
Jared Barnett said goodbye to us........he chose to leave. Sam Richardson had a breakout game against Kansas. And played fairly well before the bowl game that year. Flu and injury led to Steele Jantz relieving him. Not sure why Jared chose to transfer. IMO, he had a chance to win the job back. Or at least play when his time came again. IMO, we may have even had much more success in 2013 with Barnett.
IMO, the negative rhetoric and calling for Rhoads head on a platter is more harmful than our record. But keep on with your rant. Because you are actually hurting the program rather than helping. You would be better off shutting up and saying nothing if you truly cared for ISU football. The vocal negativism hurts us. That is reality.
Chris could shut down CF and it wouldn't change a thing. Fans don't have to say a thing. The football team is doing fine on it's own.
For a the first half of those, we werent supporting our program to the necessary level to do good regardless of the coach, and we spent a good chunk digging out of that lack of spending. Really only the last 10-15 years are relevant and we've only got DMac, Chiz, and Rhoads in that time.
Since the OSU game in 2011 cpr has a worse winning percentage than mccarney Walden or criner in their careers
And they spent carte blanch for him.
The intellectual dishonesty is amazing amongst you drizzlers.
Google Kinnick facility improvements, now do that times 10, and you're in the ballpark. Hope you're ready to increase that big contribution of yours
Good post
But you left out having two full recruiting classes crippled by realignment.
Wow
Just how many other p5 football facilities have you visited?
Go look at what they have in stillwater, Norman, Austin, Lubbock, and now Waco, then come back and try to spin that sorry take.
You were right on one thing, though. It is bigger than one man. It requires a whole lot of men writing checks.
